wtoomey@gara.une.oz (Warren Toomey) (08/21/89)
In article <3947@phri.UUCP>, roy@phri.UUCP (Roy Smith) writes: > In <17369@ut-emx.UUCP> nghiem@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Nghiem) writes: [ asking for the source to crypt ] > > What happens if [crypt()] gets in the "wrong" hands through the network? > The ruskies will then be able to decode all of our secret military > transmissions, bringing about the fall of democracy as we know it today and > subjecting the entire planet to the dominance of the evil empire. They've had it for years! I've got the source code in C form, written by Andrew S. Tanenbaum, & taken from his book `Computer Networks'. It's Unix crypt() compatible. It's used in his Minix Operating System, a V7 Unix-clone for PCs. Would anybody get upset if I post it? Is it legal? Is Andy's source copyright? Who has the answers?
charles@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM (Charles Brown) (08/23/89)
>> [ asking for the source to crypt ] >>> What happens if [crypt()] gets in the "wrong" hands through the network? >>> In <17369@ut-emx.UUCP> nghiem@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Nghiem) writes: >> The ruskies will then be able to decode all of our secret military >> transmissions, bringing about the fall of democracy as we know it today and >> subjecting the entire planet to the dominance of the evil empire. >> Roy Smith > They've had it for years! I've got the source code in C form, written by > Andrew S. Tanenbaum, & taken from his book `Computer Networks'. It's > Unix crypt() compatible. It's used in his Minix Operating System, a > V7 Unix-clone for PCs. Would anybody get upset if I post it? > Is it legal? Is Andy's source copyright? Who has the answers? > -- > Warren Toomey Please do not post crypt. Mail it. The problem is that many sites in the USA export notes outside the USA. Each of those sites can get into trouble with the US Government. It does not matter that the crypt source originated outside the USA. It is very stupid. Everybody knows that our government is being stupid about this. There is nothing we can do about that except get innocent sites into trouble. The most likely result of that would be for those sites to stop forwarding mail and notes, and we don't want that. -- Charles Brown charles@cv.hp.com or charles%hpcvca@hplabs.hp.com or hplabs!hpcvca!charles or "Hey you!" Not representing my employer. (or anyone else) "The guy sure looks like plant food to me." Little Shop of Horror
ath@helios.prosys.se (Anders Thulin) (08/24/89)
In article <5870013@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM> charles@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM (Charles Brown) writes: > >Please do not post crypt. Mail it. [ ... explaining why ... ] There are other crypt()s/des()s floating around as well, possibly different from that presented by ast. One is available through anonymous ftp from a machine in Finland - sauna.hut.fi, was it? Others are available in comp.sources.unix in volumes 7 and 10 (both called des), and volume 18 (non-usa-des). Take your choice. -- Anders Thulin, Programsystem AB, Teknikringen 2A, S-583 30 Linkoping, Sweden ath@prosys.se {uunet,mcvax}!sunic!prosys!ath
tim@ncrcan.Toronto.NCR.COM (Tim Nelson) (08/25/89)
ola, In article <1093@gara.une.oz> wtoomey@gara.une.oz (Warren Toomey) writes: >Andrew S. Tanenbaum, & taken from his book `Computer Networks'. It's >Unix crypt() compatible. It's used in his Minix Operating System, a >V7 Unix-clone for PCs. Would anybody get upset if I post it? hey post-away, several have already turned up, so why not? later & later, ========== tim (nelson) | uucp ...!uunet!attcan!ncrcan!tim ncr canada | internet tim@ncrcan.Toronto.NCR.COM (416) 826-9000 x442 | 6865 Century Ave, Mississauga, Ontario ==========
harrison@utfyzx.uucp (David Harrison) (08/25/89)
In <17369@ut-emx.UUCP> nghiem@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Alex Nghiem) writes: > What happens if [crypt()] gets in the "wrong" hands through the network? Crypt(1) has been in my (wrong) hands for a long time, and despite our current Prime Minister's best efforts Canada is still not part of the U.S. Everybody with licenced UNIX source which goes back before the restriction was imposed has it; that includes a lot of people. It is amusing to consider taking the source for crypt.c (all 134 lines of it) down to the Soviet Consulate and see what I could get for it: maybe a bag of seed corn, or a fried egg, or ... -- David Harrison | "God does not play dice with Dept. of Physics, Univ of Toronto | the universe." -- Einstein UUCP: uunet!attcan!utgpu!utfyzx!harrison | "Quit telling God what to BITNET: HARRISON@UTORPHYS | do." -- Neils Bohr
nick@nswitgould.cs.uts.oz (Nick Andrew) (08/26/89)
in article <1093@gara.une.oz>, wtoomey@gara.une.oz (Warren Toomey) says: > > They've had it for years! I've got the source code in C form, written by > Andrew S. Tanenbaum, & taken from his book `Computer Networks'. It's > Unix crypt() compatible. > It's used in his Minix Operating System, a > V7 Unix-clone for PCs. Would anybody get upset if I post it? I think the DES-compatible crypt was removed with 1.3, or thereabouts. Nobody has as yet been able to tell me why. > Is it legal? Is Andy's source copyright? Who has the answers? John Gilmore. Regards, Nick. -- "Zeta Microcomputer Software" ACSnet: nick@nswitgould.cs.uts.oz nick@ultima.cs.uts.oz UUCP: ...!uunet!munnari!ultima.cs.uts.oz!nick Fidonet: Nick Andrew on 3:713/602 (Zeta)
royle@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (keenan royle) (09/04/89)
In article <14213@nswitgould.cs.uts.oz> nick@nswitgould.cs.uts.oz (Nick Andrew) writes: >in article <1093@gara.une.oz>, wtoomey@gara.une.oz (Warren Toomey) says: > > I think the DES-compatible crypt was removed with 1.3, or >thereabouts. Nobody has as yet been able to tell me why. > >> Is it legal? Is Andy's source copyright? Who has the answers? > > John Gilmore. > >Regards, Nick. >-- It is illegal to export DES, but importation is legal. Also in another weird legal twist. If you were to write DES encryption routines, and you were to put them out for anonymous ftp and someone from outside the USA ftp'ed them that would be ok. The Kerebos people had MIT had to deal with this. Gosh glad we got the NSA to protect us, kinda makes you feal all warm inside