lasse@me.chalmers.se (Lars Persson) (09/30/89)
Does anyone out in th jungle know anything about code for one of these tapestreamers that are connected to the FDC? This night it was the third time that my 30M system crashed, and it is quit a lot of work to get i up again, so a driver to this stremer would save a lot of blood. Please reply anyone to d88mj@rigel.sunet.se
rbthomas@athos.rutgers.edu (Rick Thomas) (10/01/89)
> From: lasse@me.chalmers.se (Lars Persson) > > Does anyone out in the jungle know anything about code for > one of these tapestreamers that are connected to the FDC? > This night was the third time that my 30M system crashed, > and it is quite a lot of work to get it up again, so a driver to > this streamer would save a lot of blood. This is by way of an update to my similar request of 6 months or so ago. I still don't have what I consider an adequate solution. I got the QIC-40 specs *free* from the standards committee. Write to Freeman Associates Management Consulting 311 East Carillo St. Santa Barbara, CA 93101 Ask for QIC-117 Rev A 19 Apr 88 "Common Command Set Interface Spec for Flexible Disk Controller Based Mini Data Cartridge Tape Drives" and QIC-40 Rev E 18 Sep 87 "Flexible Disk Controller Compatible Recording Format for Information Interchange using 1/4-inch Mini Data Cartridge Magnetic Tape Drives 40 Megabyte Capacity 20 Tracks, 10000Bpi, MFM Encoded" and QIC-107 Rev A 5 Jun 86 "Basic Drive Interface for Flexible-Disk-Controller Compatible 1/4-inch Mini Data Cartridge Tape Drives" Whether the drive you buy is completely standards conforming is a question for you to take up with your dealer and the manufacturer. I found that neither of them were *at all* helpful on this subject. I bought an Irwin drive without asking first. I will never buy another Irwin product again. QIC-40 may not be very useful to Minix people though. The interface spec is strictly from the dark ages with lots of critical timing dependent stuff that *must* be performed in software with timing loops. This is most likely because the floppy controller wasn't designed for this sort of thing and doesn't know anything about the devices so it can't do the time-critical stuff in hardware. That may be why the manufacturers are so reluctant to release the source code for their MeSs-DOS based standalone backup programs. They are not sure it would work in any environment but their own carefully controlled hothouse. I have also gotten a non-disclosure agreement to sign from Tecmar. They promise to send me anything I need to write a driver for their tape drives. But their drives are fairly expensive, and (worse) I'm not convinced that I could put the source code in the PD if I did manage to write a driver, because of the non-disclosure agreement. Tecmar assures me "no problem" but they have not talked to their lawyers about it, and I don't want to put in alot of effort without some guarantees. Has anybody looked into SCSI tape interfaces? There are some very cheap ($50 US) SCSI interface cards that are sold to talk to generic SCSI disks. Has anybody tried hooking up one of those controller cards to a generic SCSI tape drive (eg those sold for Mac's -- or SUN's if you are very rich!)? Have you succeeded in getting interface specs for them? Rick ======================================================================== Rick Thomas, Manager Supercomputer Remote Access Center Rutgers University, College of Engineering Brett and Bowser Roads Piscataway, NJ 08855-0909 Phone: (201) 932-4301 Internet: rbthomas@jove.rutgers.edu UUCP: {any backbone site}!rutgers!jove.rutgers.edu!rbthomas Alternate UUCP: {convex|c1apple|karna}!kingtut!rbthomas There are lots of dangerous people on the streets of Manhattan... muggers, rapists, mimes... ======================================================================== -- Rick Thomas uucp: {ames, att, harvard}!rutgers!jove.rutgers.edu!rbthomas internet: rbthomas@JOVE.RUTGERS.EDU bitnet: rbthomas@zodiac.bitnet Phone: (201) 932-4301
rwa@cs.AthabascaU.CA (Ross Alexander) (10/03/89)
lasse@me.chalmers.se (Lars Persson) writes: >Does anyone out in th jungle know anything about code for >one of these tapestreamers that are connected to the FDC? I hear, from some hardware oriented types, that the FDC in the Atari ST is not up to the job. Any counter-examples out there? Anyone tried to get a SCSI drive tied onto the ACSI buss ?? I too am being driven to distraction by backup issues. Ross
km@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) (10/03/89)
I am working on a version of floppy.c that handles an old Cipher tape drive using DC-600s (only gets 25mb on a tape, though!). This unit looks like six very large floppies, and the individual streams are selected by "illegal" combinations of the drive/motor select lines for drives "C" and "D". I have several other projects right now, and these units are not readily available anywhere, but I will made the driver available when it is done. Ken Mitchum KY3B km@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu
dclemans@mentor.com (Dave Clemans @ APD x1292) (10/05/89)
From article <1138@aurora.AthabascaU.CA>, by rwa@cs.AthabascaU.CA (Ross Alexander): > lasse@me.chalmers.se (Lars Persson) writes: >>Does anyone out in th jungle know anything about code for >>one of these tapestreamers that are connected to the FDC? > > I hear, from some hardware oriented types, that the FDC in the Atari > ST is not up to the job. Any counter-examples out there? Anyone > tried to get a SCSI drive tied onto the ACSI buss ?? I too am being > driven to distraction by backup issues. > > Ross There's no problem using an ST acsi->scsi interface card to drive a tape drive (at least for the ICD and the Berkeley Microsystems cards); ICD even sells a pre-packaged unit for the ST (I think it uses the Teac 150MB mechanism). To use them in a native mode under Minix all you need is an appropriate driver; as is they could make an image-mode dump of Minix partitions under TOS. dgc
hcj@lzaz.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) (10/06/89)
In article <1989Oct4.171329.8286@mentor.com>, dclemans@mentor.com (Dave Clemans @ APD x1292) writes: > From article <1138@aurora.AthabascaU.CA>, by rwa@cs.AthabascaU.CA (Ross Alexander): > > lasse@me.chalmers.se (Lars Persson) writes: > >>Does anyone out in th jungle know anything about code for > >>one of these tapestreamers that are connected to the FDC? > > > > I hear, from some hardware oriented types, that the FDC in the Atari > > ST is not up to the job. Any counter-examples out there? Anyone > > tried to get a SCSI drive tied onto the ACSI buss ?? I too am being > > driven to distraction by backup issues. > > > > Ross > > There's no problem using an ST acsi->scsi interface card to drive > a tape drive (at least for the ICD and the Berkeley Microsystems cards); > ICD even sells a pre-packaged unit for the ST (I think it uses the Teac 150MB I have an archieve 60 meg streamer which uses SCSI and a simple driver patterned after stwini.c. It doesn't want to stream under minix but works in chunks. (It streams great under TOS). Howard C. Johnson ATT Bell Labs att!lzaz!hcj hcj@lzaz.att.com ps. stupid mailer wants more lines