[net.news.group] Minor technicalities causing newsgroup deletion

rtw@lzwi.UUCP (R.T.WURTH) (10/31/85)

Much of the discussion regarding the creation/deletion of
new groups has focused on following the right procedures.
What I seem to observe is that one person has either set
himself up or been asked by others through some undefined
procedures to serve as police force, prosecutor, and Supreme
Court of the procedures, with no right of appeal and is out
to get groups for which somewhere someone forgot to dot an
"i" or cross a "t."

This reminds me of the recent Mayoral primary in New York
City.  It is the law that nominating petitions had to be
filed, containing some minimum number of signatures.  The
law about those petitions is quite arcane, so candidates
regularly overcollect signatures by extremely wide margins,
to allow for the fact that very large numbers are thrown
out.  This year several candidates had more petition forms
thrown out than they had planned for because of minor
technical flaws.  They went to court and the court ordered
the petitions accepted in spite of the minor technical
flaws.  The will of the people was clear, as was the intent
by candiates to obey the law.

Not every one still enjoys the luxury of great amounts of
spare leisure time, some of us work for a living out here in
the real world!  As a result, such people have little time
to worry about fulfilling minor technicalities and exacting
details of an arcane set of rules.  On behalf of my busy
colleagues in the real world, I ask for a error-tolerant
system, one which, like the court-mandated petition-checking
system in NY, can occasionally overlook the "i" left undotted
and the "t" left uncrossed.  Looking at the current
situation, such a system would ignore such arguments as "The
significant volume didn't start until after the rogue group
was started."  Under such a system quibbling over whether a
unanimous vote in favor of a group constituted a consensus
would not be grounds for immediate group deletion.

I guess my point is that the argument over total, complete,
slavish, exact, perfect, strict adherence to procedure is missing the
more important issues of whether the intent of the procedure
is being met, and whether there is merit in having the
group.  Rules should be our servants, not our masters.  In
the situation at hand, it is obvious from the flames that
users are not being served.

In my college days, I was able to totally stifle debate in,
and paralyze one of the campus organizations by
clever use of _Robert's Rules of Order_.  What did I prove?
That I could make enemies and provoke anger from others;
that I was a [characterization deleted].  (This isn't
net.flame, so I won't use the the term; suffice to say that
it questions my ancestry.)

I see a parallel in the current rules and the manner of
their enforcement which give the appearance (I don't know
the people involved, so I can only speak to the issue of
apparent intent, not actual intent.) that enforcers are
using them to stifle the creation of new groups regardless
of the merits of the groups.  Just look at the
net.ham-radio.packet controversy.  In that case, the
technicalities of the rules were enough to entrap someone
who was virtually a charter Usenetter.  Similarly,
net.internat has had significant traffic with high technical
content and almost no flaming.  A large number of people
wanted it, but somewhere someone forgot to cross all the
"t"s to the satisfaction of the net police.

To correct this situation, I think that as an addendum to the
rules, so-called rouge newsgroups should not be removed for
minor technical flaws in their nominating and creation
process until a four week grace period has elapsed.  Obvious
mistakes and deliberate violations (e.g.  the old
mis-spelled groups like uniz-wizards of several years ago,
and e.g. a group with Article #1 saying "I just created this
group so lets have some articles to justify keeping it"
should have no grace period.  The grace period should begin
when someone cross-posts to net.news.group and to the
alleged offending group a notice of deficiency outlining
which part of the procedure was not followed to the exact
letter and what needs to happen to correct it.  The grace
period would be used to re-do the alleged deficient steps to
the satisfaction of the powers that be.  If at the end of
four weeks (Is four weeks enough?  Some articles take four
weeks just to reach seismo.), the deficiencies had not been
corrected, then, by all means the group should be removed.

The introduction of a chance to repair minor technical flaws
in a less-threatening environment may just reduce the amount
of _ad-hominem_ flaming directed against the person charged
with the unfortunate thankless task of enforcing the rules.
The current "I just sent a worldwide rmgroup message for <your
favorite new group> because..." followed by a list of
undotted "i"s and uncrossed "t"s is not conducive to
reasoned constructive discussion and does much to raise the
anger level and the level of flames.