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From: John Danielson <JHDanielson@hi-multics.arpa>
Subject: minix
To: info-minix@louie.udel.edu
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I am rather new to netland and this meeting, so please excuse these
rather dull questions. And it might be best to mail me any responses to
my questions rather than clog the list with the answers everyone else
knows.
First) What is the name of Dr. Tannenbaums book that is the companion
of the minix os, and where would I get it (order it).
2) I am assuming minix is based on U*IX (quick ain't I). What
U*IX is it based on?
3) Where can the source for minix be bought, and for how much?
4) What ports of minix besides the PC have been marginally successful,
or completly successful for that matter.
Thanks for all you put up with this message, and to all who respond.
Minix looks like something I've been wanting to run into for a long
time.
John Danielson Honeywell MAVD/TSLO
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Arpanet - JHDanielson -at HI-Multics.ARPA (multics eats the at character)info-minix@udel.UUCP (06/24/87)
In-Reply-To: <285@louie.udel.EDU> Cc: The book is Operating Systems: Design and Implementation by Andrew S. Tanenbaum published by Prentice-Hall. There is a card in the back of the book for ordering the software. MINIX is functionally like UNIX V7, but it is not a port of UNIX. It does not contain any AT&T code, so it is not covered by AT&T licensing restrictions. Andy Tanenbaum James M Galvin
termin@killer.UUCP (09/30/87)
This discussion that is spilling over from comp.arch and comp.unix.wizards into the newgroup minix is getting to be a duplicity of effort. I do read the discussion but I am reading it in 3 newsgroups now . IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE PUT IN THE COMP.OS.MINIX NEWSGROUP. IF YOU CAN FIND SOMEONE TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT IT IN THE APPROPIATE NEWSGROUP IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. Thanks Jim
Stephen_Gutknecht@milehi.UUCP (11/14/87)
I am looking for someplace to download and mess with MINIX. I really
can't afford the $80 to mail for it... and I have purchased the book.
Is it available for download anywhere? Is it acceptable to download
it (assuming I can find a source)?
Stephen Gutknecht
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I would like to play with Minix, but have heard that it will not run
"as-is" on the Tandy 1000. I have also heard that there is some kind of
modification which will allow it to run on my system. Could somebody out
there fill me in on the facts?
Eric
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uucp: ...!{hao|isis}!scicom!milehi!oscarcsd@drutx.ATT.COM (Scott Davis) (09/13/88)
Hello, Has anyone tried to use Minix 1.2 with any of the AT&T PC's? In particular, a 6312 WGS, a 6300+, or straight 6300. I don't know how compatible any of them are to the IBM line. We are in an operating system class that is working with Minix this semester and need to get something going soon. A couple of other questions. Does Minix do some sort of auto-configuration the first time it is booted? We tried to boot it on a single floppy 6300 with 256k of memory and it ran out of space. After adding memory to 640k, it booted and created a 240k RAM disk. Seems to be problems here reading and setting the system clock from a C program - haven't done much else. Case 2: Tried booting on a 6312 (supposedly AT compatible) with 640k and a different, but identical set of source diskettes. It created a 360k RAM disk this time. Also, after asking us to remove the "root" diskette, but before asking us to insert the "/usr" diskette, it went off to never-never land. So we tried the set of diskettes previously used to boot up the 6300 above. It boots up now with a 240k RAM disk and proceeds on to the login prompt. We haven't done anything more as we are confused as to what is happening even at this early stage. Both sets of diskettes came from the same original. Any info/suggestions will be appreciated. Scott Davis ...ihnp4!drutx!csd
ast@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum) (10/27/88)
MINIX is a new operating system that is system call compatible with V7 UNIX.
Unlike real UNIX, it is available with all the source code, both the kernel
and all the utilities. The purpose of this message is to announce its
availability on the 68000 CPU, specifically the Atari-ST. However, since
it should not be too hard to port it to other 68000-based computers (e.g.,
Amiga, Macintosh), this message is being crossposted to a number of newsgroups.
This will be the only announcement outside comp.os.minix.
When MINIX is run on the Atari ST (or MegaST) it replaces the native
operating system (TOS) and turns the computer into a normal UNIX machine.
MINIX has been running on the IBM PC, XT, AT, and many clones, including 386s
for almost two years. The IBM version is in widespread use all over the world.
The original (IBM) version was written by Andrew S. Tanenbaum. The Atari port
was done by Johan Stevenson and Jost Muller. MINIX does not contain even a
single line of AT&T code. Thus both the operating system and the utilities are
all brand new code.
MINIX FEATURES:
- System call compatible with V7 UNIX (except for a few very minor calls)
- Kernighan and Ritchie compatible C compiler is included
- Shell that is functionally identical to the Bourne shell is included
- Full multiprogramming (fork+exec; background jobs in shell: cc file.c & )
- Full screen editor inspired by emacs (modeless, autoinsert, etc.) included
- Ability to read and write TOS disks
- Over 90 popular utilities provided (cat, grep, ls, make, mount, sort, etc.)
- Over 100 library procedures provided (atoi, fork, malloc, stdio, etc.)
- Works with floppy-only systems or with hard disk systems
- Full operating system source code (in C) is included
- Source code for all the utilities (except C compiler) is included
PARTIAL LIST OF THE MINIX COMMANDS:
ar as badblocks basename cal cat cc cem cg chmem chmod chown clr cmp comm
compress cp cpdir cpp cv date dd df diff diskcheck du echo expr factor
false find fix fsck getlf grep gres head kill ld ln
login lpr ls make megartc mined mkdir mkfs mknod more
mount mv od opt passwd pr printenv pwd readall readfs rev rm
rmdir roff sh shar size sleep sort split stty su sum
sync tail tar tee test time tos touch tr treecmp true
umount uniq update uudecode uuencode wc
PARTIAL LIST OF THE MINIX LIBRARY:
abort abs access alarm atoi atol bcopy brk call chdir chmod chown chroot
cleanup close creat crypt ctime ctype doprintf dup dup2 exec exit fclose
fflush fgets fopen fork fprintf fputs fread freopen fseek fstat ftell
fwrite getc getegid getenv geteuid getgid getgrent getpass getpid getpwent
gets getuid gtty index ioctl isatty itoa kill link lseek malloc mknod
mktemp mount open pause perror pipe popen putc puts qsort rand read
regexp regsub rindex scanf setbuf setgid setuid signal sleep sprintf stat
stime strcat strcmp strcpy strlen strncat strncmp strncpy stty sync
system termcap time times umask umount ungetc unlink utime wait write
NEWSGROUP
There is a USENET newsgroup, comp.os.minix, concerned with MINIX. This group
is gatewayed to the ARPANET, BITNET, etc. If you cannot read USENET newsgroups
directly, you can get on the mailing list by sending a request to
info-minix-request@udel.edu
The group is very active, and well worth reading if you are interested in MINIX.
It is used for reporting bugs, fixing bugs, posting new software, asking and
answering questions, and so on. At some point it may be necessary to split
the group (IBM vs. Atari; source code vs discussion; ...) but for the time
being, there are no plans to split it. Time will tell. There are archives
of the messages that have been posted to comp.os.minix. For an information
sheet telling about MINIX and the archives, send email to ast@cs.vu.nl or
watch the newsgroup. Although this message is being crossposted to several
groups, this will be the only announcement. Please post all subsequent
discussion to comp.os.minix ONLY. The group is unmoderated. Please do
not discuss the PDP-11 memory management unit or other irrelevant topics.
DOCUMENTATION
There is a book describing MINIX is great detail, both how to use it and how
it works inside. The book contains a highly annotated copy of the O/S code
as an appendix (250 pages). This version is slightly out-of-date, but it is
still quite usable. The bibliographic data on the book are as follows:
Title: Operating Systems: Design and Implementation
Author: Andrew S. Tanenbaum
Publisher: Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632
Date: 1987
ISBN: 0-13-637406-9 (hardback version, U.S and Canada only)
0-13-637331-3 (paperback version, outside of U.S. and Canada)
Price: about $40 although bookstores may charge whatever they want
The book is currently in the process of being translated into German.
There is also a paperback MINIX Reference Manual that is a subset of the book.
It contains only the MINIX specific information, not the general background
stuff on operating systems that the book contains. The reference manual is
about $35. There is also a package containing the disks and the reference
manual combined going for about $110. I think there may soon be a package
containing the reference manual and the Atari disks.
The Atari disks come with a little booklet telling how to boot the system
and how it differs from MINIX-PC (IBM version). Effectively it is a diff
listing between MINIX-ST and MINIX-PC. It makes no attempt to repeat the
500 or so pages on MINIX from the book or manual.
AVAILABILITY
MINIX is something of an intermediate form between AT&T UNIX and GNU.
Unlike GNU, MINIX is not public domain. It is copyrighted by Prentice-Hall
and is being sold by them. The price for the Atari disks in the U.S. is $80
+ shipping (somewhat higher abroad) and includes all the source code. On
the other hand, unlike AT&T UNIX, the source code is readily available, and
may be copied for bona fide educational and research use. For example, a
professor teaching a course on operating systems could legally buy the disks
and then make copies for all his students. A very limited amount of private
copying (say, no more than 3 copies per original) for personal friends is
ok. If this gets out of hand, and Prentice-Hall decides that not enough have
been sold, they will just drop the Atari and have future versions be for the
IBM only. It is the intention that future versions be compatible with POSIX.
In the U.S. you can order the software and books from most bookstores or
directly from Prentice-Hall in NJ. The ISBN number for the Atari software
is 0-13-584392-8. Prentice-Hall's phone number is (201) 767-5937.
In the U.K. there are two dealers as listed below.
The price in the U.K. is 88.50 pounds sterling + VAT
Prentice-Hall International SDL Ltd
Attention: Mark McDonagh Unit 10
66 Wood Lane End Ruxley Corner Industrial Estate
Hemel Hempstead Sidcup Bypass
England Kent DA14 5SS
Telephone: +44 442 231555
The distributors for Europe are listed below. The European price is $110.40.
In Germany: Steve Steinkrauf
Feldtorweg 24
D3406 Bovenden 1
FRG
In Holland: Jos de Jong
Postbus 184
2100AD Heemstede
Holland
In Scandinavia: Frank O'Donell
P.O. Box 88
1371 Asker
Norway
In Spain Deborah Worth
and Portugal: Appartado Numero 50672
Madrid
Spain
In Italy: Jim Blaho
Via Manzani 50
50018 Scandicci
Florence
Italy
In Greece: Vassilis Zahos
Kriconas 57
GR11634 Athens
Greece
In Turkey: Attilla Gullu
Millinudafaa Cad 14/7
Kizilay Ankara
Turkey
If you have questions whose answers are likely to be of interest to many people,
post them to comp.os.minix. If you have questions that are very specific and
you don't want to broadcast to 10,000 machines in several dozen countries, send
mail to one of us. PC-specific questions should go to ast; Atari specific
questions should go to Johan.
Andy Tanenbaum (ast@cs.vu.nl)
Johan Stevenson (johan@nlgvax.nl)
P.S. domain nl is The Netherlands, where both of us are located.
If your mailer does not know where this is, buy a good world atlas, digitize
it, and feed it to the mailer.acm@valhalla.cs.ucla.edu (Association for Computing Machinery) (10/30/88)
To what extent do the ST-Minix disk drivers support floppy and hard disk
direct memory access?
For example, when you set up disk-intensive background processes, do
the characters still echo on the keyboard for your foreground process?
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Does minix have BSD style job control? (i.e. fg, bg, jobs, ^Z as suspend...)
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In GENERAL terms (no diff listings, thanks), what routines besides the
assembly :-) have been changed from the intel version?
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Thanks for your help,
Plinio Barbeito
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VOICE: (213) 825-5879, 825-7597nfrech@almsa-1.arpa (Norman R. Frech) (11/02/88)
> > Andy Tanenbaum <ast@cs.vu.nl> writes: > .... misc. stuff deleted ... > > Title: Operating Systems: Design and Implementation > Author: Andrew S. Tanenbaum > Publisher: Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632 > Date: 1987 > ISBN: 0-13-637406-9 (hardback version, U.S and Canada only) > 0-13-637331-3 (paperback version, outside of U.S. and Canada) > Price: about $40 although bookstores may charge whatever they want > I just ordered the hardback version of the manual form B. Dalton here in St. Louis, Missouri and it is going for $48.95. They don't carry the paperback version, or so they say. The machine I use at work runs BSD 4.3 so I figure it would be a good idea to get Minix for my 1040st at home. How close is Minix to BSD unix? Also, it there a FORTRAN compiler availble for Minix? ************************************************************************* Norm Frech <nfrech@almsa-1.arpa> "Verbatim regurgitation is against my principles" - Neal, The Young Ones. ************************************************************************* *************************************************************************
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (11/04/88)
In article <5117@louie.udel.EDU> nfrech@almsa-1.arpa (Norman R. Frech) writes: > ... How close is Minix to BSD unix? ... There is a family resemblance. The Minix manual is an order of magnitude thinner than the BSD manual, which should tell you something. -- The Earth is our mother. | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology Our nine months are up. |uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
wes@myth.UUCP (Wes Peters) (11/10/88)
In article <17339@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU>, acm@valhalla.cs.ucla.edu (Association for Computing Machinery) writes: > To what extent do the ST-Minix disk drivers support floppy and hard disk > direct memory access? > For example, when you set up disk-intensive background processes, do > the characters still echo on the keyboard for your foreground process? I just logged into Minix on my brothers 1040ST, and typed: find / -exec ls -l {} \; & and then executed a couple of more commands from the keyboard. Keyboard echoing worked just fine. This is with a 256K /dev/ram on / and 10M /dev/hd2 on /usr. The find is still running as I type this - lots of files to play with. > Does minix have BSD style job control? (i.e. fg, bg, jobs, ^Z as suspend...) No. Why don't you write it? Personally, I'd rather have shell layers (shl program and /dev/sxt... drivers), and a nice windowing system to run them in -- why don't you write that instead? I'll cheer for you all the way! > In GENERAL terms (no diff listings, thanks), what routines besides the > assembly :-) have been changed from the intel version? The fork process is vastly different, mostly due to the different addressing schemes on the iAPX and 68K processors. The intel version fork was simple - duplicate the code segment and the data segment (for split I&D versions), and all pointers are offsets from the code or data segment, as applicable. On the 68K, relocation is not quite that simple. The Minix/ST fork uses `shadow' memory. When a process is forked, the data segment is duplicated, but not the text (program code) segment. (Yes, Minix/ST DOES have shared text segments!) When the new child runs, its data segment is copied in the original data area. When the parent runs, its data segment is copied into the original data area. The upthrust is that since the 68K doesn't give you any simple way to `relocate' data in memory, it costs a lot to fork. Of course, this limitation does not apply if the parent or child does an exec following the fork - the original data and text segments are freed, and new ones allocated. Try it, you'll like it! And of course you can always change anything you don't like, right? -- Sorry, my .signature file got left on Obie! (Replies to wes@obie.UUCP)
awm@gould.doc.ic.ac.uk (Aled Morris) (11/13/88)
>Of course, >this limitation does not apply if the parent or child does an exec >following the fork - the original data and text segments are freed, >and new ones allocated. Does (ST-)Minix have "vfork"? That would sure save on copying data segments around (in the typical case when the child immediately exec's). Would it be difficult to add (I haven't got a copy of Minix [yet] to try these things out)? Aled Morris systems programmer mail: awm@doc.ic.ac.uk | Department of Computing uucp: ..!ukc!icdoc!awm | Imperial College talk: 01-589-5111x5085 | 180 Queens Gate, London SW7 2BZ
tse@pbhyd.PacBell.COM (Tom Edwards) (01/17/89)
I tried to mail to Joseph E. Poplawski using the full mailing address he had given in his letter but it was rejected, so I'm mailing this via the net. Please excuse the interruption, if you're not interested. >From: jep@fantasci.UUCP (Joseph E Poplawski) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm >Subject: Some questions... >Has anyone out there ported Minix to the Commodore 128 native mode using >either Power-C or Super-C, or to CP/M 3.0 mode? I already own the book with >Commodore 128 and 64 to connect to UNIX systems for the purposes of sending and >receiving mail. I am not sure if setting up News for the commodore would be Jo, I too would be interested in having Minix on my 128 (and being able to mail/port to Unix systems. Let me know what you find out. Thanks, Tom -- -- Tom S. Edwards {att,bellcore,sun,ames,pyramid}!pacbell!pbhyd!tse
PRINS%HLERUL5.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Ryko Prins, CRI, Leiden, Netherlands) (03/23/89)
I am giving up.
I don't have the time to debug the Minix driver so it works for
my Megafile 60. I dont'have the time to backup my whole hard disk each time
before I try out Minix and restore my hard disk every time Minix destroys it.
I am writing off the Minix system and the Tanenbaum book than goes with it
as a loss. It was an expensive lesson: it did cost me about 350 Dutch Guilders
(about US $ 175,-) and many hours of time.
*FLAME ON*
What should I tell about the quality of software that only works in some
cases and screws up your hard disk in others and is *very* poorly documented
both in the written documentation as in the software? What should I tell
about a product that has virtually no support, but still costs a large sum?
What should I tell about the ethics about putting such a product on the
market?
I'll wait until there comes a *real* unix system for the Atari ST.
*FLAME OFF*
If you have any comments, please write to me directly, i have signed off
the minix list.
(Last) Greetings,
Ryko Prins.hcj@lzaz.ATT.COM (HC Johnson) (03/24/89)
In article <11440@louie.udel.EDU>, PRINS%HLERUL5.BITNET@cunyvm.cuny.edu (Ryko Prins, CRI, Leiden, Netherlands) writes: > I am giving up. > I don't have the time to debug the Minix driver so it works for > my Megafile 60. I dont'have the time to backup my whole hard disk each time > before I try out Minix and restore my hard disk every time Minix destroys it. > I am writing off the Minix system and the Tanenbaum book than goes with it > as a loss. There are likely one of two problems behind Ryko's problems. 1. His Megafile 60 is sick. Remember that TOS is polled status, Minix is interrupt driven. Just because TOS works doesn't mean the Minix will. [ Unix(r) systems have been showing up bad computer hardware for years]. 2. There are 3 major approches to writing a ST DMA driver for TOS. And when using interrupts it gets even trickier. I know my SCSI Streaming tape requires a different pacing from the hard disk. Supra is experiencing this, in that there seem to be three flavors of problems(old don't work, medium, posted a driver change to work around timing problems, and new- just work. So as we bid Ryko a found farewell, we are left wondering just what is in his Megafile 60, and whether it is only his that fails. I thing AST, and Prentice-Hall did a good job in getting minix up on a ST, and should be praised, not condemed. Howard C. Johnson ATT Bell Labs att!lzaz!hcj hcj@lzaz.att.com
eichert%uservx.decnet@ddnvx2.afwl.af.mil (USERVX::EICHERT) (03/24/89)
In response to the recent flame of MINIX by an unhappy Megafile60 owner. Does anyone know what drive is being used inside the box. If it's a Seagate 277N then I don't believe it's Minix's fault at all. I'm running a home brew hard disk setup w/277N which runs fine under TOS but occasionally under Minix gets a spurious DMA interupt and locks the system. Reset doesn't work either, it just takes me back to a Lo-res GEM screenwithout checking to see if there is a floppy in the drive. At one time I saw a mention from someone else here about problems with another 277N drive system. So perchance there is some pecularity with the 277N.I'm running an ICD host adapter also by the way. Anyway I have no complaints with Minix JUST with the hardware :-). diana P.S. Did Atari show the 68030 Unix box at Hanover, anyone?
dlm@druwy.ATT.COM (Dan Moore) (03/28/89)
in article <11509@louie.udel.EDU>, eichert%uservx.decnet@ddnvx2.afwl.af.mil (USERVX::EICHERT) says: > At one time I saw a mention from someone else here about problems with > another 277N drive system. So perchance there is some pecularity with the 277N.I'm running an ICD host adapter also by the way. Seagate 277Ns are slow. If the SCSI driver code tries to talk to them too quickly (ie. as fast as it can) the 277N will drop one or more SCSI commands. In order to get the 277N to work reliably there needs to be a short delay between each SCSI command, Atari's SCSI drivers wait several (2 or 3) ticks of the 200 HZ clock between each access. Dan Moore AT&T Bell Labs Denver dlm@druwy.ATT.COM
acarter@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Alfonso Carter) (04/05/89)
Oops.... Sorry about that last post [about finding minix]. I was told it was public domain. Does anyone know of a public domain system that is like unix, for the IBM?
c08_dta7@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (TA7) (04/06/89)
In article <410@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US> acarter@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Alfonso Carter) writes: >Oops.... Sorry about that last post [about finding minix]. I was told >it was public domain. Does anyone know of a public domain system >that is like unix, for the IBM? Wait a minute, MINIX is PD? How do I get it? Is there a Mac version ? (i'll pay a reasonable fee). Thanks to all future respondents. Mamdouh Maher
acarter@jolnet.ORPK.IL.US (Alfonso Carter) (04/09/89)
In article <1363@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU> c08_dta7@jhunix.UUCP (TA7) writes: > > >Wait a minute, MINIX is PD? How do I get it? Is there a Mac version ? >(i'll pay a reasonable fee). > >Thanks to all future respondents. > >Mamdouh Maher No, Minix is not public domain [so I've recently found out] W
jca@pnet01.cts.com (John C. Archambeau) (06/20/89)
Has anybody else experienced problems with the opt pass of Minix C running out
of memory after cpp and cem do their job? I have done a chmem =64000 to all
Minix C compiler passes (and asld). I also bumped up make and still the same
problem. I have already beat the program (Bison (GNU Yacc)) into working in a
64K code/64K data & stack address space with Turbo C 1.5 and the small memory
model, so I know that Bison will work in a seperate I&D memory model. I'm not
too fond of compiling from the DOS side of my machine for a program or two
that Minix C can't handle, but will run under Minix just fine. I have the
copt-src.tar.Z from bugs.nosc.mil if that will help, but it demands unpacked
assembly code to do the job, and Minix C produces packed assembly code. Is
there a better peephole optimizer out there or will copt-src.tar.Z work with
some minor hammering? I hate to say it, but it might be high time to get on
the drawing board for a large model C compiler inspite of the problems and
time it will take to implement.
/*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*
* Flames: /dev/null (on my Minix partition)
*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*
* APRA : crash!pnet01!jca@nosc.mil
* INET : jca@pnet01.cts.com
* UUCP : {nosc ucsd hplabs!hd-sdd}!crash!pnet01!jca
*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*/
#include <disclaimer.h>
void main (void)
{
#if defined (MSDOS) || defined (OS2) || defined (VMS)
printf ("You call that an operating system???\n");
#else
printf ("Unix might not be perfect...\n");
printf (" ...but it's the best I've seen thus far...\n");
#endif
}Alan_T._Cote.OsbuSouth@xerox.com (08/09/89)
Marty - I've got minix up to 1.3d, now (shooting for Bruce Evans' version). The problem I have is that I can't seem to get the termcap stuff to work. Do you have a working termcap.c and /etc/termcap I could snarf? I'd much appreciate it. - Al
jwhitson@wpi.wpi.edu (John C Whitson KB2GNC) (09/09/89)
I realize that somewhere you all have described this before, but my Usenet feed probably deleted the articles that I need. Basically, I just got MINIX 1.2 from Prentice Hall. My question is: o How many patches are there to get to a modern version, o Where are they stored? Thanks MUCHLY! Incidentally, I have the IBM 512K AT version 1.2. The hardware is an AT-339 Motherboard @ 12 MHz. john!!!
jwhitson@wpi.wpi.edu (John C Whitson KB2GNC) (09/09/89)
Sorry ... postnews didn't include my .signature. here it is:
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John Whitson: Internet: jwhitson@wpi.wpi.edu Bitnet: jwhitson@wpi.bitnet
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I'm concidering purchasing minix for a PC AT, and I have a few questions which I hope someone on the net can help me with. 1 which version of minix is shipped from Prentice Hall ? 2 my PC has a SCSI disk interface, will this be a problem ? 3 I have a 49 Mb disk partitioned into 32 and 15. My idea was to have MINIX in the last partition. Is this possible ? 4 are there any associations or user groups where I may get help from, preferably in Denmark. 5 are there any archives, again preferably in Denmark. No ftp available from where I am. 6 Can I get minix directly from Prentice Hall ? I have some bad experinces (takes too long) with getting things from bookstores. Concerning 2, 3 I have read some of the postings concerning large discs and I recon that there probaly will be some problems. I read the comp.os.minix group regulary, but response by E-mail is also welcome. | UUCP : ibh@dde.dk (Ib Hojme) | GMI - a division of DDE | or ...mcvax!enea!dkuug!dde!ibh | Denmark
73677.1761@compuserve.com (paul cimino) (02/18/90)
Could I possibly get on the mailing list for the Minix newsletter? Thankyou. Paul Cimino 73677.1761@compuserve.com
waltje@relay.eu.net (05/03/90)
Does anyone know how I should get MINIX running on a 10MHz XT clone (with NEC V20) that has a Seagate ST-11R RLL win- chester controller and a Seagate ST238R 32Mb RLL disk? It runs fine using the BIOS drive (of course it does...), but that is rather slow, and the serial driver loses lots of data. I tried using the xt_wini driver with the NR_SECTORS set to 0x1A (RLL has 26 sectors/track), and that results in a rather "firm" reset of the disk (seems to be OK). A second later, the kernel panics because it can't read the partition table of winchester 0... Pointers to solutions (please, send them by e-mail; my news feed is rather slow (if present at all!)) would be appreciated! Fred van Kempen MINIX User Group Holland +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | MINIX User Group (Holland) UUCP: hp4nl!kyber!minixug!waltje | | c/o Fred van Kempen, or: minixug!waltje@kyber.UUCP | | Hoefbladhof 27 | | 2215 DV VOORHOUT | | The Netherlands "A good programmer knows his Sources" | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
cen@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Charles E. Newman) (12/09/90)
Can MINIX run on an 8086 machine, support a modem (Hayes Compatible), and support UUCP? And how much does MINIX cost and where can I get it?
scottd@bbs.sbs.com (Scott Dexter) (12/29/90)
I heard that Minix exists on the Amiga....if so...what are the system
requirements on it and how good is it?
Alos, where can it be purchased?
Scott
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+=======================================================+coorswol@alchemy.tcnet.ithaca.ny.us (Curt Coulter) (01/05/91)
Hello. I recently started reading this newsgroup and have a few questions. I have a Wells American 286, 14mhz, 1meg ram, 32 meg mfm hd. I am a big Unix fan, and would like some information on minix. How much hard drive space does minix require? Where can I get it? And software for it? Is it possible to run ms-dos software under it somehow? Does it have graphics capabilities? Thanks. -Curt coorswol@alchemy.tcnet.ithaca.ny.us id=gac2@mts.rpi.edu
shawn@willow.MV.COM (Shawn M. Rogers) (03/06/91)
Hi,
I'm hoping I can get some feedback via email --
I've interested a friend of mine in the UNIX operating system. He'd
like to learn more about it, and get a 'feel' for what it's like.
He doesn't have the cash to get SCO or something similar, and also
does not have the cash to purchase a new computer. I suggested to
him that he try MINIX. A local software store is selling the packaged
product for $130.
Since I know virtually nothing about MINIX, I'd like to get more information
for him before he drops the money (he'd also pickup another hard disk).
Some items I'd like addressed are:
1) He's got a 12mhz PC-XT Clone w/640K and a 20mg drive. Would this
suffice?
2) Since you are all reading news, what news software/reader are you using?
Where do you get the sourece?
3) He is considering keeping a 5 or 10mg partition for DOS. Will this
cause any problems?
4) If you could, please give me your general impressions about MINIX.
Likes, dislikes, caveats, etc.
I appreciate any help you can give me.
And, as always, thank you in advance!
always liked computers, but he's financially strapped.
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Shawn M. Rogers shawn@willow.MV.COM
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Methuen, MA 01844 ...uunet!samsung!wizvax!willow!shawnkenny@msc.edu (Kenny Goers) (05/15/91)
With all the people asking about a cheaper way to get Minix, I thought I'd distribute this here. I no longer have a use for my Minix software and was wondering if anybody out there was willing to buy it. I got it for about $150 (I don't remember exactly), and will sell it for $100/obo. It's on 5 1/4" disks and is the current version (1.5.10). I also have the "Operating Systems - Design and Implementation" book available if anybody is interested. Any more questions divert to my email address or voice line. - kenny. -- -- Kenny Goers Minnesota Supercomputer Center kenny@msc.edu days - 1 612 624 2898 nights - 1 612 649 0171 -- -- Kenny Goers Minnesota Supercomputer Center kenny@msc.edu