rising@utzoo.uucp (Jim Rising) (03/02/88)
I think that you misread the intent of Don Jackson's comments on avian intelligence. He was saying that it simply is not meaningful to compare the intelligence of a parrot with that of a 3 year old child. It's like apples and oranges. We may tend to look at the neural capabilities of individual of other species in terms of human capabilities, but that is generally not meaningful. In humans, we define "intelligence" in many different ways (e.g. IQ scores). These describe the relative performance of an individual with regard to other humans at doing something that humans generally can do. Naturally, of course, humans are better at being humans than are individuals of any other species. But by the same token, parrots are better at being parrots than humans are. If humans were to take an IQ test devised by the American Redstarts, they would do miserably on those parts of the test that tested homing and navigating ability, and not so well on the tests of eye to mouth coordination (ever try to flycatch?). The redstarts would compare us to a 20-day old redstart. In the popular literature it is common to characterize some birds are being particularly smart. Parrots, chickadees, jays and crows are commonly singled out. In jargon terms, these are all "poly- phagous" species, i.e. feed on a variety of different foods, often feeding opportunistically. People are much like that, too, so these birds tend to resemble humans in their foraging behaviour more than, say, a swallow or vulture. Does that make them smart? Complex vocalizations, often involving mimicry of other individuals, are also a part of the territorial defense and/or species recognition/pair formation of many species, including many starlings (mynahs and our own European Starling), parrots, mimic thrushes (mockingbirds and catbirds), etc. Because these birds attempt to communicate with us, esp. in caged situations, we often think of them as being particularly cleaver--and perhaps they are. But the point is, and Don's point was, we simply do not have any objective ways to assess the "intelligence" of non-human animals. Speaking for Don, incidentally I know that he doesn't know person #1 at all and holds no animosity for her, and has nothing against people keeping birds in cages. Neither do I. I've kept budgies since I was about 10, and used to raise them. You're reading too much between the lines. Concerning posting articles about pets, I personally have nothing against pet postings, esp. thoughtful ones, but the point was made on the net earlier that there is a rec.pet groups which would be more appropriate for **some** of these postings. In any event, no single person has the right to dictate the content of rec.birds. --Jim Rising -- Name: Jim Rising Mail: Dept. Zoology, Univ. Toronto Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S 1A1 UUCP: {allegra,ihnp4,linus,decvax}!utzoo!rising