[rec.birds] house sparrows

mjm@oliven.olivetti.com (Michael Mammoser) (06/03/88)

	Since all this talk about house sparrows has been going on, I have a
question for those on the net. I have been working on the Breeding Bird Atlas
for Santa Clara County here in the Bay Area. My block consists mostly of the
chaparral covered and live oak wooded foothills in the Santa Cruz Mountains,
with just a corner of the block including residential areas. In the 2 months
that I have been atlassing, I have not seen a house sparrow in my block until
recently, when I finally got around to the residential areas.

	It seems to me that house sparrows are very dependent on human habit-
ation for their survival, and that when one gets away from the human habitat,
house sparrows are nonexistant.  Has anyone else on the net had any experiences
along these lines? Concerning the disputed birdhouses, how close are they placed
to human residences and have you seen the same thing with houses that are placed
out in the "wild"?

	Now starlings are a bird of a different color. These suckers are every-
where.

looking and listing,
Mike

tbrownell@lafite.dec.com (Ignem Mittere In Terrum) (06/10/88)

 
>We live in an area east of Seattle where the housing density is about 2
>houses/acre (lots of trees and such).  We've never seen a house sparrow
>(at our feeder or anywhere else) in the area.  But I know they're quite
>abundant in Seattle proper.
 
>One day last week we had - hummingbirds, 2 nuthatches, evening grossbeaks,
>house finches, and a hairy woodpecker in our feed-tree (snag) at one time.
>Also have a toehee (sp?) coming regularly.
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    I live in a similar environment, as far as housing density is
 concerned but with a slight twist. The entire area, about 1000 acres
 is set on the edge of a typical urban environment. I have seen House
 Sparrows at my feeders only during harsh periods in the dead of winter
 and during feeding-the-young periods in middle summer. What is very 
 interesting is that there are hoards of them living in a stand of tall
 ash trees at the end of my street, bordering a golf course. The distance
 from the sparrow infestation and my house is perhaps 200 yards yet they
 seem content to live there and not bother to travel down the street.
 I am not sure that an urban environment is required for them to be
 prolific, I am leaning more towards the reliable food sources that
 human congregations provide, ie litter and garbage. By the by, non-city
 House Sparrows are really quite beautiful. Apparently there are some
 nice markings under all that grime.

 Terry Brownell
 Hudson, Massachusetts

jim@hpfcdc.HP.COM (Jim Tear) (08/04/88)

My neighbor, who is a biologist for the Colorado Department of Wildlife,
hates the house finches because they ruin his apples, hates the robins
because they ruin his strawberries, and hates the orioles because
they ruin his peaches.  He loves the house sparrows because they eat
a lot of insects but leave his vegatables and fruits alone.  He puts
out bird seed and nesting boxes to attract the house sparrows.

I'm on the other side of the fence (so to speak).  I put out seed to
attach the house finches.

I guess you can't please everyone.

	Jim Tear  --  Hewlett-Packard  --  Ft. Collins, CO

Why do we always have a neighbor (on the other side) who has cats that
run loose?