[rec.birds] Advice wanted on Florida Birding

mk2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Paul Krenitsky) (12/03/89)

Hello, I have read the bboard for a while and noticed that people 
can ask for advice on places to go and such.  I will be along the east
coast of Florida, possibly the Everglades and also the Florida Keys
the first two weeks of January. Being a resident of Pittsburgh, I naturally
am very excited about seeing new and unusual birds, and don't know 
where would be the best places. Also, I realize that "listing" is taboo
among real birdwatchers, but where precisely does the ABA define
the limits of where you can "count" birds?  For example, do the Florida 
Keys count, since they are not quite on the continent?  I believe that
the Aleutians count, though they are extremely far away from North America.
   Also, if anyone has an idea about short trips in Atlanta please send
me mail.

Thank you,
 Mark Krenitsky

john@nmtsun.nmt.edu (John Shipman) (12/03/89)

Mark Paul Krenitsky (mk2r+@andrew.cmu.edu) writes:
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| ...I realize that "listing" is taboo among real birdwatchers
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What do you mean by ``real birdwatchers?''  Among professional
ornithologists this may be partly true (though many are ABA
members), but most of the ``real'' birdwatchers I know keep at
least some lists.  I list for two reasons---for competition, yes,
but also because listing is a good way to insure that I bird in
the widest variety of habitats and seasons.

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| ...where precisely does the ABA define the limits of where
| you can "count" birds?
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From the latest issue of ``Winging It,'' the ABA newsletter:

``ABA area: Canada and the 49 continental United States, St.
Pierre et Miquelon, and their adjacent waters to a distance
of 200 miles, or half the distance to a non-included area,
whichever is less.  The southern limit offshore to the west is
the latitude of the Mexican border.''

There is a ``Birder's Guide to Florida,'' which should be
available from ABA sales (800-634-7736).  Olin Sewall
Pettengill's ``Guide to Bird Finding East of the Mississippi''
is another good source, and will include Atlanta.

-- 
John Shipman/Zoological Data Processing/Socorro, New Mexico
john@nmtsun.nmt.edu, ucbvax!unmvax!nmtsun!john  
``Let's go outside and commiserate with nature.'' [Dave Farber]

jklee@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (James Kin Wah Lee) (12/03/89)

In article <cZS4H2O00XoB87T0MA@andrew.cmu.edu> mk2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Paul Krenitsky) writes:
> I will be along the east coast of Florida, possibly the Everglades
> [ ... ] and don't know where would be the best places.

Well, I'm not too familiar with birding in Florida, but when I was in
Everglades NP in October, I found Flamingo to be the best spot to see
a lot of different birds in a short amount of time.  Lots of gulls,
herons, terns and egrets.  As I recall, we also saw anhingas and
some warblers.  There were supposed to be some white-crowned doves
as well, but we didn't see those.  Never did get that smooth-billed
ani either.  Darn.

> Also, I realize that "listing" is taboo among real birdwatchers

Whoa.  Where did you get this idea?  I had some good friends who worked
as park naturalists in Algonquin Provincial Park in Ontario and all of them
were good birders.  Moreover, all of them had lists.  In fact, some of
them were so "enthusiastic" as to have: a life list, a year list, a
regional list (i.e. all birds seen in the park), a provincial list
(i.e. all birds seen in Ontario), a McDonald's list
(i.e. all birds seen while sitting in a McDonald's just before going
out birding), a record jacket list (i.e. all birds seen on various LP
covers - NOTE: you do see a wide variety!), and an eat list.  Yes,
an eat list.  This was composed of various species (** NOTE **
road-kills) that were removed from the asphalt and "taste-tested".
I found this last list to be revolting.  Apparently, the practice was
stopped after some of them wanted to descend upon a road-kill that
turned out to be the favourite bird of one of the members :-). 

Personally, I don't know any birding friend who does not have at least
a life list!

JIM
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king@cbnewsk.ATT.COM (joyce.l.king) (12/03/89)

> For example, do the Florida 
> Keys count, since they are not quite on the continent?  I believe that

YIKES!  I certanly hope we count!!!  Yes, Mark, I believe we do.  The
Florida Keys Wild Bird Rehabilitation Center has a lot of birding visitors,
although I don't know how "ethical" it is to count a bird on your life list
after you saw it in a hospital cage.  Audubon thinks we count.  They have
two locations here on Key Largo (National Audubon).  The Christmas bird
count will be December 28.  Groups will be dispersed throughout the mainland
Keys and Florida Bay.

When you visit, give me a call (305-852-7468) and I'll take you to the Center.
If I am out of town (January promises to be a busy month), call Laura at the
Center (305-852-4486) and get directions.  Just tell her I told you to visit.
That invitation is open to anyone coming to the Keys.

If you bird by boat, please don't traipse around the uninhabited keys in
Florida Bay.  This is the beginning of nesting season for reddish egrets and
roseatte spoonbills.  They will leave the nest if you get too close.  Since
both populations are declining, we'd like to give them every chance to
reproduce uninterrupted.  Bring binoculars and sight them from a distance.

We have a very large hawk population this winter...one of the largest in
recent memory, according to the Audubon biologists.  American kestrals are
all over the place.  We had peregrine flights numbering 200 or more during
migration.   A scarlet ibis has been seen around the upper Keys (Key Largo
to Craig Key), and flamingoes (!) are in abundance on Snake Bight, although
the book says they don't exist here.  My sister's sea wall is regularly
visited by a Wurdemann's heron (I bet that isn't on your list!) and my
son works at a dive shop on the south end of Upper Matecumbe Key, where he
has made "friends" with a sandhill crane.  Most trips into the Everglades
part of the Bay will cough up a bald eagle sighting or two.  White pelicans
are at Snake Bight and at Flamingo, in the Everglades.

That's a sample.  Come enjoy our birdlife.  We are fighting to keep it.

Joyce Andrews King (from the Florida Keys via modern communications)

christ@ccnysci.UUCP (Chris Thompson) (12/04/89)

In article <cZS4H2O00XoB87T0MA@andrew.cmu.edu>, mk2r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Paul Krenitsky) writes:
> Hello, I have read the bboard for a while and noticed that people 
> can ask for advice on places to go and such.  I will be along the east
> coast of Florida, possibly the Everglades and also the Florida Keys
> the first two weeks of January. Being a resident of Pittsburgh, I naturally

Well! I just got back from Key Largo and the Everglades a few weeks ago!
If you are in the Everglades, go along the Anhinga Trail.  Amazing!  I saw
all the North American waders which were possible, and some interesting
misc stuff- like the pileated woodpecker working over a snag right behind
the ranger station.  Herons, gallinules, and alligators abound.  BUT: GO
EARLY!!!!!!  It is a very popular spot, and it will be packed by 9 AM.  
My other advice is to get down to Flamingo.  If you are lucky, and are willing
to drive a ways, you might see some of the pink suckers (I ran out of time).
But I did see Bald Eagles & Forster's terns.

If you get to Key Largo, go on the snorkeling trip out of John Pennycamp
Coral Reef State Park.  For about $30 you get the ride, and gear.  But one
of the plastic cards to help you ID reef fish.  We saw about 25 we could 
identify, including barracuda, sergeant-major, pipefish, and butterfish.
Well worth it!

Have fun!

Chris Thompson


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