[rec.birds] Cats and Birds

mikeb@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Mike Burger) (12/03/89)

	My Grandfather was troubled with the problem of cats and his
beloved birds which he attracted to a well designed feeding station.
He used a series of what I believe were called "Havahart Traps". They
were large and captured the Cat quite unharmed. It was like a wire box
with a metal drop door on each end connected to a trigger. He would dump
the cat rather unceremoniously over the fence into the neighbor's yard
where it belonged.
	If the cat offended too many times he would get mad enough to
dump a bucket of water on it and the cage before dumping it, unharmed,
but short of dignity, over the fence.
	Cats learn.  I am very fond of cats and birds.  I have kept cats
several times during my life and loved them a lot.
	My Grandfather's approch did not hurt the cat, but did "educate"
it to prowl elsewhere.  The traps were available at any well equipted
hardware store for not much money.  Just be sure to check any trap line
daily.  That is only reponsible.  It is hard to justify blasting away
at cats in your back yard with firearms.  But making your yard less
hospitable to them in a humane way can make a difference.
	As an experienced cat owner, I can say that it is hard to refuse
to allow a cat a good prowl now and again.  It is in their genes.  As a
watcher and lover of birds, I would just as soon they did not spend their
time outdoors killing birds.
	I think my Grandfather's approach was balanced and reasonable.
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ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) (12/04/89)

I am sorry to inform you that no reasonable postings concerning cats
and birds are appropriate for this newsgroup.  Instead, may I direct
you to talk.religion.misc for the morality of teaching lessons to cats,
alt.aquaria for the environmental impact of dumping water on a cat,
and rec.pets.dogma for the discussion of the genetic impact of prowling
on cats.

This group is only for strange people who go outside in the freezing cold
to look at birds, and tangentially for the even stranger people who let
birds shit in their houses.  So unless you have a field book of cats, or
keep your cat in a cage, you will have to go away.

Mikki Barry

p.s. (since I know some people don't know the word sarcasm :-) :-) :-)!!!)

nora@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (nora.y.mclaughlin) (12/08/89)

If no one is going to apologize to anyone for any of the awful
insults going on in this net and get on with life, then I feel
that I must apologize for ever bringing the topic of cats and
bird feeders up.  You see, it all started when I asked a very
simple question and I quote,"how can I keep my neighbors cat
from my bird feeder this winter".  This was a simple question
I posed to help me solve my problem.  

Well, I must say, in the beginning, I received some very good
suggestions, and I thank all who contributed.  But I am really
sorry to see the anger that has resulted between everyone.
I only hope things will settle down and all will bring things
back to a rational level so we may enter into the holiday season
with joyful hearts.  There is still time to quench all the fires
burning. 
God Bless!

brian@askinc.UUCP (brian) (11/30/90)

Does anybody have experience with keeping both cats and birds?  My wife
and I currently own a parrot and are thinking about getting a cat as
well.  We are concerned that the cats' instinct would be to be overly
interested in the bird. Is this always true? Are there some cats less
likely to act this way?

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