[rec.mag] Open Mouth. Insert Foot. BYTE.

richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) (02/18/89)

(Followups to rec.mag)

Of course BYTE cancelled their computer graphics photo layout because of
too many Amiga entries.  BYTE is a PC magazine.

Although it is a bit like cancelling the race because too many
Porsches showed up.  

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   BYTE computer graphics photo layout cancelled.  Too many Amiga entries.
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Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com (02/20/89)

> Of course BYTE cancelled their computer graphics photo layout because of
  too many Amiga entries.  BYTE is a PC magazine.  (R. Sexton)

No way.  BYTE is "The Small Systems Journal".  It says right on the cover.  If
it's not, that's false advertising, n'est ce pas?

Leo, thank you for printing that letter.  You can be SURE I will write to
BYTE.  It's not the first time.  When I cancelled my subscription (I have
been buying BYTE off the newstand for about 6 years, I think) and have sub-
scribed once or twice, I wrote and said the reason was unbalanced biased
coverage and Jerry P's immature and biased editorializing.  I have not bought
it since and do not intend to as long as the quality is so severely compro-
mised.
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daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) (02/23/89)

in article <14857@cup.portal.com>, Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com says:
> Xref: cbmvax comp.sys.amiga:32215 comp.graphics:5126 rec.mag:227

>> Of course BYTE cancelled their computer graphics photo layout because of
>   too many Amiga entries.  BYTE is a PC magazine.  (R. Sexton)

> No way.  BYTE is "The Small Systems Journal".  It says right on the cover.

The operative word here is "said".  It doesn't say that any more.  BYTE is
currently a PC magazine, which an occasional bit of Macintosh thrown in as
a token "non-PC" system.

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jesup@cbmvax.UUCP (Randell Jesup) (02/23/89)

In article <14857@cup.portal.com> Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com writes:
>> Of course BYTE cancelled their computer graphics photo layout because of
>  too many Amiga entries.  BYTE is a PC magazine.  (R. Sexton)

	As it turns out, this was NOT the reason.  In fact, they put one
of the entries for that on the cover instead.  The entry was created on
an Amiga.  So please, don't cry wolf too much, it doesn't help the Amiga
community to get a reputation for that (it already has too much of it now).

	Oh, and don't forget they replaced the pictures with a comparison of
the Amiga's, Mac's, and (something elses) graphics capabilities.  The type
of article I do want to see in byte.  I haven't seen the article, but having
Amiga in the comparison (and having a comparison at all) is a step forward.

>No way.  BYTE is "The Small Systems Journal".  It says right on the cover.  If
>it's not, that's false advertising, n'est ce pas?

	I agree Byte has gone way downhill, BUT it has been getting better
in the last year or so (last febuary was the low point in my mind - it
annoyed me so much I started a giant discussion on BIX about it - it turned out
the (then) new editor, Fred Langa, agreed.  We disagree on a number of points,
but he HAS improved it in the last year.

>Leo, thank you for printing that letter.  You can be SURE I will write to
>BYTE.  It's not the first time.  When I cancelled my subscription (I have
>been buying BYTE off the newstand for about 6 years, I think) and have sub-
>scribed once or twice, I wrote and said the reason was unbalanced biased
>coverage and Jerry P's immature and biased editorializing.  I have not bought
>it since and do not intend to as long as the quality is so severely compro-
>mised.

	Sure, Jerry is not know for his restraint or unbiased reporting.  He can
be a real pain at times.  But he does write well.

	If you write Byte, don't say "put more amiga articles in".  Say
"more technical articles, less reviews."  If they have more technical articles,
more amiga articles will come, I'm quite sure.  It's the damn PC reviews that
are/were crowding out everything else.

	And try to avoid sounding like a net flame.... :-)  Net-style flames
aren't likely to get read real well... :-)

-- 
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todd@stiatl.UUCP (Todd Merriman) (02/23/89)

In article <6048@cbmvax.UUCP> daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie) writes:
>
>> No way.  BYTE is "The Small Systems Journal".  It says right on the cover.
>
It should be called "The Small Minds Journal".  I don't intend to
read another issue.

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ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) (02/23/89)

In article <14857@cup.portal.com> Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com writes:
>BYTE is "The Small Systems Journal".  It says right on the cover.  [ ... ]

	Not anymore.  Go look; it's not there.

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richard@gryphon.COM (Richard Sexton) (02/24/89)

In article <6050@cbmvax.UUCP> jesup@cbmvax.UUCP (Randell Jesup) writes:
>In article <14857@cup.portal.com> Classic_-_Concepts@cup.portal.com writes:
>>> Of course BYTE cancelled their computer graphics photo layout because of
>>  too many Amiga entries.  BYTE is a PC magazine.  (R. Sexton)
>
>	As it turns out, this was NOT the reason.  In fact, they put one
>of the entries for that on the cover instead.  The entry was created on
>an Amiga.  So please, don't cry wolf too much, it doesn't help the Amiga
>community to get a reputation for that (it already has too much of it now).
>
>	Oh, and don't forget they replaced the pictures with a comparison of
>the Amiga's, Mac's, and (something elses) graphics capabilities.  The type
>of article I do want to see in byte.  I haven't seen the article, but having
>Amiga in the comparison (and having a comparison at all) is a step forward.

Well I don't really acre what they claim their reasons were. If they'd
said ``we're having a computer graphics art layout which we will later
cancel'' I for one would not have felt too much like sending something in.

AmigaWorld used to have a ``gallery'' for the first few issues. It
was probablythe best thing about Amiga world. They havnt done it
for a while, and AW hasnt been worth reading for a while.

I can understand that a comparison of Amiga's vs whatever in is probably 
good for C= sales, but c'mon, out of 300+ pages, of mostly PC junk
advertising, they couldnt spare 4 pages in which they could have
put 8 (albeit small) pictures per side, which could have given
us 64 of the pictures.

Or they could have published a few (4 ? 7?) of the pictures with
the article.

How many pictures DID they get made on other machines anyway ?

Perhaps it wasnt cancelled because there were too many Amiga
pictures.

Perhaps it was cancelled because there were no pictures
made on other computers.

>	If you write Byte, don't say "put more amiga articles in".  Say
>"more technical articles, less reviews."  If they have more technical articles,
>more amiga articles will come, I'm quite sure.  It's the damn PC reviews that
>are/were crowding out everything else.

How bout less techie stuff ane more pictures ? How bout a monthly
gallery column ?

-- 
               Lotus Super Seven Series III.  Too fast to race.
   BYTE computer graphics photo layout cancelled.  Too many Amiga entries.
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