kanefsky@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Steve Kanefsky) (01/17/90)
Well, the suspense is over, and the vote is almost too close to call. I received 129 yes votes before the deadline, and 33 no votes, for a difference of 96 votes in favor of creating rec.video.software. This works out to 79.6% yes, 20.4% no, although strictly speaking this is of no concern. Whether a 96 vote yes majority consists of 50.000001% of the vote or 100% of the vote is not a factor in the decision of newsgroup creation by the rules as they stand today. However, I do believe the vote is close enough that the 5-day waiting period becomes critical, and so I urge everyone who voted (or tried to vote) to check over the acknowlegements below and see if your vote is where it belongs. A mistake or two on my part could easily sway the outcome in one direction or the other. I'm not sure if I am allowed to count votes which were sent but didn't reach me, but if you voted in time (on or before Jan. 11) and your name doesn't appear, please inform me of this and in the meantime I will find out if I can count these. On the other hand, if I misplaced your vote (doubtful, since I searched for "yes" in the no-vote file and "no" in the yes-vote file) I can surely correct that. In any case, unless several more yes than no votes were lost and I am allowed to count them, it appears that rec.video.software has failed by almost the narrowest possible margin. Unfortunately, I believe my handling of the vote may be the reason there weren't more votes, because I held off after the first call for votes for quite a while, not realizing that each call for votes would bring in a large number of votes from people who hadn't read the previous calls. I tried to compensate by placing the last calls too close together, which was not as effective. Anyway, I have no doubt that there is sufficient interest in the group, as a substantial number of no votes were very specific in that it was the name of the group they were voting against, not the charter. That being the case, and assuming that there isn't a change in the outcome of the vote or a leniency on the part of the net, I will hold an informal vote on a new name for the group and once again call for votes on the creation of a newsgroup with the same charter as rec.video.software and a new name. I'm sure many people, even some who voted yes, will be happy to hear that. As I've mentioned in a few of my private e-mail messages, I don't mind using a different name for the newsgroup, but I still think that "software" fits better than any other word, and there's no getting around the need for a term which describes what "software" does in the context of video. Other words may largely correspond to what the charter of the newsgroup describes, but they are not synonymous with "software" So, as of now, we begin an official 5-day waiting period to see what the *official* outcome of the vote will be, although the *unofficial* outcome at this time indicates that rec.video.software should not be created at this time, although the yes votes outnumbered the no votes 4 to 1 for a total of 96 more yes votes than no votes. Thanks to everyone for their participation in the discussion and voting so far, but let me remind you that it isn't over yet. Please check the following acknowlegements and, should it come to another vote, please participate in that as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS YES VOTES: From: "1164 Esherick, Peter" <esheric@sandia.gov> From: "Dennis Nichols, MACC" <NICHOLS@macc.wisc.edu> From: "Mark D. Salzman" <marks%tekigm2.men.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET> From: "Steve Kanefsky" <kanefsky> From: Al Seaman <alse%tekig6.pen.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET> From: Andy Malis <malis@BBN.COM> From: Arun Welch <welch@cis.ohio-state.edu> From: Bevis King <brwk@doc.ic.ac.uk> From: Bob Niland <rjn@hpfcso.hp.com> From: Carl Noseworthy <rutgers!garfield.cs.mun.ca!carl> From: Chad Fogg <cfogg@milton.u.washington.edu> From: Colin Hunter <CHUNTER@UMAB.BITNET> From: Dan Grim <grim@udel.edu> From: Daniel.F.McKinnon.III@mac.dartmouth.edu From: Dave "bd" Hsu <hsu@twiddle.eng.umd.edu> From: Ed Hall <edhall@rand.org> From: George_Lindholm@mtsg.ubc.ca From: Jacob Hugart <jhugart@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu> From: Jamie Zawinski <jwz@teak.berkeley.edu> From: Jay Johannes <jayj@hpislx.hp.com> From: Jeff Williamson <magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu> From: Jeffrey James Bryan Carpenter <jjc@unix.cis.pitt.edu> From: Jo Ellen McCoy <jo@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> From: John Howells <howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov> From: Kathryn Daugherty <kdaugher@hqpyr1.oracle.com> From: Kevin M. 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Wood) From: rutgers!polyslo.calpoly.edu!rducky!jrp (JIM PICKERING) From: rutgers!uunet.uu.net!unix386!dougm (The Manic Tinker) From: sewilco@datapg.MN.ORG (Scot E Wilcoxon) From: smm12%computer-lab.cambridge.ac.uk@NSFnet-Relay.AC.UK From: strong@tc.fluke.com (Norm Strong) From: uwm!ames!amdcad!cdr (Carl Rigney) From: uwm!mailrus!ames!beaver.cs.washington.edu!6sceng!blm (Brian Matthews) -- Steve Kanefsky kanefsky@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu