root@lsuc.UUCP (12/04/86)
UUCP Traffic (bytes) News Arts Rcv'd Arts Que'd
Received Sent Accepted Dups to Send
Total 1,224,243 1,135,433 628 7 685
mnetor 951,371 14,557 619 1 8
sickkids 613,221 626
radha 6,039 475,205 37
utcsri 192,980
cle 41,424 5,254
dciem 12,239 9,758
watmath 8,091 2,517 1 5 2
utzoo 2,708 6,797 1 7
utai 4,867 3,125
utcs 2,817 4,129 1 4
nrcaer 1,183
utflis 719
yetti 524 151
ryesone 1
local 7
0 originated locally
The foregoing teed to /usr/adm/newsxfr.
Miscellaneous errors:
Dec 3 10:18 local make newsgroup tor.news in dir /usr/spool/news/tor/news
Dec 3 20:12 watmath Unknown newsgroup 'kw.bb.sale' not localized
Dec 3 21:14 mnetor make newsgroup rec.birds in dir /usr/spool/news/rec/birds
Dec 3 22:29 mnetor make newsgroup rec.arts.tv.soaps in dir /usr/spool/news/rec/arts/tv/soaps
Dec 4 00:29 mnetor make newsgroup rec.scuba in dir /usr/spool/news/rec/scuba
SUMMARY OF MESSAGES
1 articles posted.
3 control messages received.
48 articles/duplicates had bad line counts.
1 articles cancelled, 0 unsuccessfully,
0 successfully in 0 groups.
7 duplicate articles rejected.
1 inbound batches were garbled.root@lsuc.UUCP (12/06/86)
Period ended: Sat Dec 6 01:20:27 EST 1986
UUCP Traffic (bytes) News Arts Rcv'd Arts Que'd
Received Sent Accepted Dups to Send
Total 1,175,771 487,002 536 294 577
mnetor 1,046,399 37,486 533 292 3
sickkids 215,974 532
radha 3,982 182,607 32
cle 60,135 3,911
maccs 32,916 9,869
utai 18,525
utcs 4,072 11,237 2 2
utflis 11,161
ryesone 350 5,214 2
dciem 3,661 1,676
utzoo 3,981 5
utmanit 1,792 1,945
utcsri 1,615 1,596
yetti 1,141 345
nrcaer 1,183
watmath 1
local 3
0 originated locallydave@lsuc.UUCP (12/09/86)
Period ended: Tue Dec 9 01:20:14 EST 1986
UUCP Traffic (bytes) News Arts Rcv'd Arts Que'd
Received Sent Accepted Dups to Send
Total 739,996 303,547 477 0 511
mnetor 711,395 7,731 476 1
sickkids 248,391 475
radha 2,295 29,862 29
dciem 13,596 935 1
cle 171 9,231
maccs 3,623 2,132 1
utcs 3,255 2,040 1
utcsri 1,229 1,098 1
utmanit 1,267
utai 1,240
ryesone 175 939 1
yetti 751 257
mkv020 999
hcr 931 1
utzoo 1
The foregoing teed to /usr/adm/newsxfr.
Miscellaneous errors:
Dec 8 01:19 local freopen(861208061971CD): No such file or directory
Dec 8 21:31 mnetor make newsgroup news.lists in dir /usr/spool/news/news/lists
Mass/Amherst)
Mass/Amherst)
SUMMARY OF MESSAGES
1 articles posted.
53 control messages received.
16 articles/duplicates had bad line counts.
2 articles cancelled, 0 unsuccessfully,
0 successfully in 0 groups.
4 inbound batches were garbled.root@lsuc.UUCP (12/10/86)
24-hour (approx.) period ended: Wed Dec 10 01:19:59 EST 1986
UUCP Traffic (bytes) News Arts Rcv'd Arts Que'd
Received Sent Accepted Dups to Send
Total 947,848 1,348,095 620 1 669
sickkids 692 1,037,135 609
mnetor 844,701 8,067 615 3
sq 136,542
radha 3,177 97,718 43
cle 73,015 17,897
dciem 8,491 5,589 2
maccs 4,210 8,112 1 1
utcs 4,152 4,040 1 2
utzoo 3,765 4,234 3
utai 1,771 5,916
watmath 4,508
ryesone 350 4,052 2
utcsri 4,048 2
hcr 4,036 2
yetti 2,457 731
utflis 722 2,113
utmanit 2,471
mkv020 345 886
local 4
The foregoing teed to /usr/adm/newsxfr.
Miscellaneous errors:
Dec 9 09:48 local Bad d option
Dec 9 17:12 local make newsgroup to.utmanitou in dir /usr/spool/news/to/utmanitou
Solutions, (413) 256-6800)
SUMMARY OF MESSAGES
2 control messages received.
29 articles/duplicates had bad line counts.
1 articles cancelled, 0 unsuccessfully,
0 successfully in 0 groups.
1 duplicate articles rejected.
3 inbound batches were garbled.dave@lsuc.UUCP (12/11/86)
24-hour (approx.) period ended: Thu Dec 11 01:19:47 EST 1986
UUCP Traffic (bytes) News Arts Rcv'd Arts Que'd
Received Sent Accepted Dups to Send
Total 1,490,847 1,682,403 752 128 779
sickkids 1,422,087 736
mnetor 1,379,687 18,499 744 127 2
radha 5,642 121,334 1 40
cle 47,238 16,477
dciem 15,762 22,465 1
yetti 6,452 17,064
mkv020 11,498 9,892
utzoo 6,408 7,808 1 1
sq 2,060 10,858
utai 5,968 4,283
maccs 5,245 4,796 1
utcs 1,855 5,458 1
hcr 730 5,452
ryesone 525 5,476
utcsri 5,470
watmath 4,592
utflis 1,282 392
per 495
local 4
The foregoing teed to /usr/adm/newsxfr.
Miscellaneous errors:
Dec 10 17:36 mnetor Unknown newsgroup 'comp.sys.sun' not localized
ac@uvacs.CS.VIRGINIA.EDU (Alex Colvin)
braner@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (braner)
tnagar)
P
om cdaf@iuvax.UUCP
crg!hoptoad!laura
Dec 10 18:33 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<1783@borealis.uucp>
Dec 10 18:36 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<4804@ism780c.uucp>
Dec 10 18:41 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<1823@jade.berkeley.edu>
Dec 10 18:44 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<219@iwu1a.uucp>
rejected. Path: mnetor!utzoo!watmath!clyde!rutgers!lll-crg!lll-lcc!pyramid!voder!apple!zardoz
Dec 10 18:47 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<424@lewey.ait.com>
Dec 10 18:50 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<486@crash.uucp>
Dec 10 18:53 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<407@geac.uucp>
Dec 10 18:55 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<544@fai.uucp>
Dec 10 18:57 local freopen(8612102214116F): No such file or directory
Dec 10 18:57 local freopen(core): No such file or directory
SUMMARY OF MESSAGES
2 articles posted.
1 control messages received.
41 articles/duplicates had bad line counts.
2 articles cancelled, 0 unsuccessfully,
0 successfully in 0 groups.
128 duplicate articles rejected.
9 inbound batches were garbled.dave@lsuc.UUCP (12/13/86)
24-hour (approx.) period ended: Sat Dec 13 01:13:35 EST 1986
UUCP Traffic (bytes) News Arts Rcv'd Arts Que'd
Received Sent Accepted Dups to Send
Total 1,002,589 680,559 550 2 630
mnetor 829,872 10,964 549
sickkids 370,737 546
cle 117,002 1,788
radha 2,304 93,318 54
sq 1,144 79,381
dciem 14,558 26,508 2
maccs 20,650 5,500 2
ryesone 1,888 22,797 2
utcs 1,076 22,429 1 2
utcsri 376 21,617 2
hcr 155 19,610 2
utzoo 7,531 2,675 1 2
yetti 2,418 1,662
pesnta 2,948
utmanitou 667 1,103 15
utai 470
watmath 1
local 1
SUMMARY OF MESSAGES
4 control messages received.
37 articles/duplicates had bad line counts.
2 articles cancelled, 0 unsuccessfully,
0 successfully in 0 groups.
2 duplicate articles rejected.
4 inbound batches were garbled.henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) (12/15/86)
I see a potential problem with this newsgroup. It already has two distinct
types of content: human discussions on local news problems, and voluminous
automated status reports. If more sites start posting the latter, it's
going to be increasingly tempting not to read the group because of the sheer
volume of clutter. The status reports are potentially valuable for trouble-
shooting, but in the absence of trouble I am unlikely to carefully read and
ponder a dozen or more 50-line reports a day. It may be worth considering
two separate newsgroups.
--
Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
{allegra,ihnp4,decvax,pyramid}!utzoo!henrydave@lsuc.UUCP (12/16/86)
24-hour (approx.) period ended: Tue Dec 16 01:44:32 EST 1986
UUCP Traffic (bytes) News Arts Rcv'd Arts Que'd
Received Sent Accepted Dups to Send
Total 1,091,647 2,879,964 486 178 590
sickkids 2,612,421 487
mnetor 752,548 19,312 467 70 14
hcr 240,052 30,035 8 88 3
radha 3,662 90,984 2 51
utcsri 10,354 56,899 3
utcs 5,201 42,735 1 3
utzoo 30,133 983 2 19 3
cle 21,200 3,459
maccs 7,315 5,106 2 2
utai 6,129 5,463
dciem 6,417 2,804 1 2
watmath 3,880 2,332 3
sq 3,394 1,521
ryesone 4,253 3
utmanit 543 572 19
auvax 912
per 819
utflis 173
local 1
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Dec 15 17:29 utzoo newgroup: news.config not approved
Dec 15 17:32 utzoo newgroup: rec.arts.movies not approved
(Scott Campbell)
c@utcs.uucp (Mark Acfield)
Dec 15 18:28 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<353@ritcv.uucp>
Dec 15 18:32 mnetor waiting on lock for /tmp/L<963@ukecc.uky.csnet>
all
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Dec 15 18:38 local freopen(8612152215231F): No such file or directory
Dec 15 20:14 watmath Unknown newsgroup 'uw.talks' not localized
Dec 15 20:14 watmath Unknown newsgroup 'uw.talks' not localized
Dec 16 01:14 mnetor newgroup: news.newsites not approved
SUMMARY OF MESSAGES
1 articles posted.
19 control messages received.
28 articles/duplicates had bad line counts.
2 articles cancelled, 0 unsuccessfully,
0 successfully in 0 groups.
178 duplicate articles rejected.
178 inbound batches were garbled.dave@lsuc.UUCP (12/16/86)
In article <7410@utzoo.UUCP> henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) writes: >I see a potential problem with this newsgroup. It already has two distinct >types of content: human discussions on local news problems, and voluminous >automated status reports. If more sites start posting the latter, it's >going to be increasingly tempting not to read the group because of the sheer >volume of clutter. The status reports are potentially valuable for trouble- >shooting, but in the absence of trouble I am unlikely to carefully read and >ponder a dozen or more 50-line reports a day. It may be worth considering >two separate newsgroups. Henry's right. And we've already seen that the name tor.news can be misconstrued. Anyone object to two news groups: tor.news.admin and tor.news.stats? tor.news would become a directory only, and actually should be rmgroup'ed (if your rmgroup is smart enough to not rm -r the directory). tor.news.stats would normally not be read by humans except for the casually curious. tor.news.admin should be read by news administrators and others concerned with how the news is flowing. David Sherman -- { ihnp4!utzoo seismo!mnetor utai watmath decvax!utcsri } !lsuc!dave
peter@methods.UUCP (Peter Blake Mr Sys Adm) (12/16/86)
In article <7410@utzoo.UUCP> henry@utzoo.UUCP (Henry Spencer) writes: >I see a potential problem with this newsgroup. It already has two distinct >types of content: human discussions on local news problems, and voluminous >automated status reports. ..... >It may be worth considering two separate newsgroups. I'm glad Henry raised this issue, and I agree with Henry that tor.news is quickly developing into a problem. However, I am not convienced that creating another news group just for status reports is really the answer. We are still stuck with the problems of: 1) Who's going to read those reports after the novelty wears off? (Let's face it they are not exciting). 2) How are we going to recognize subtle flow problems? Not every news administrator is going to scrutanize the reports even from his/her own machine. (Its that boredom factor again). 3) How do we fix the problems? I believe that we really need to consider writing some cute code that will perform report/statistical analysis and inform us when a flow problem does exist. But before we all put our super-programming hats on and consome mass quanitites of extra-strong-programmers-coffee, I suggest that we, as a community, consider what we want to gain from such a tool(s) and how are we going to implement it (it is no good if only a few of us abide by the "rules"). Two goals that I think we would all like to see are: 1) Quick and accurate flow problem detection and analysis. Not only should problems be detected, a solution should be suggested to correct the problem. A relatively inexperienced news admin, like myself, are sometimes quite overwhelmed and appreciate suggestions and advice. (For you universities playing with expert systems, why not consider doing something for news administration). 2) Relief from manually monitoring the news. (My overall goal is to get the system to monitor itself and only bother me when there is a problem it can't handle - can you say lazy, I knew you could). How do the rest of you all feel? I realize that what I am suggesting will amount to a lot of effort; however, I believe that such effort will reap its own rewards. -- Peter Blake Deadline!?!? What's a deadline? Methodsworks Inc., 3385 Harvester Rd., Burlington, Ontario, L7N 3N2 phone: (416) 632-6500 UUCP: ...!{utzoo!mnetor!genat!maccs,watmath}!methods!peter
dan@maccs.UUCP (Dan Trottier) (12/17/86)
It appears that we do have a problem with the tor.news name. The proposed
new names tor.news.admin and tor.news.stats are fine with me.
Once the new names have been agreed upon, we should decide on a day for
the switch over. I hope this can be done by Friday, as this will avoid
a build up of news in tor.news over the holidays.
--
Dan Trottier {utzoo!mnetor!genat,lsuc}!maccs!dan
DCSS, McMaster U. (416)525-9140 ext 3444dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) (12/17/86)
peter@methods.UUCP (Peter Blake) writes: > 1) Who's going to read those reports after the novelty > wears off? (Let's face it they are not exciting). Putting them in a group which no-one needs to read but which quietly maintains current information can, I think, be useful. Anytime you have a problem, you can take a peek into tor.news.stats for the right information. Better yet, if you want to check whether uucp between some pair of sites is current, you can get this information too (not "current" in the sense of "is it supposed to work", as you can get from mod.map, but "current" in the sense of "did it work yesterday"). > 2) How are we going to recognize subtle flow problems? > Not every news administrator is going to scrutanize > the reports even from his/her own machine. (Its that > boredom factor again). Agreed. What it's for is when you suddenly get the feeling that nothing's coming in, and you wonder where the problem is. Of course, the traditional way is to mail everyone upstream from you to figure out who's stopped sending. Maybe that's good enough. If one of those MAIL routes is down, though, it might not be. Perhaps all this is unnecessary after all. Maybe the old, casual way is fine. I'm willing to give the stats method a chance, though. If they're in a .stats group that nobody needs to read, and they take up only local phone calls and a tiny fraction of total net traffic, they needn't bother anyone. > 3) How do we fix the problems? > >I believe that we really need to consider writing some cute code that >will perform report/statistical analysis and inform us when a flow problem >does exist. But before we all put our super-programming hats on and >consome mass quanitites of extra-strong-programmers-coffee, I suggest that >we, as a community, consider what we want to gain from such a tool(s) >and how are we going to implement it (it is no good if only a few of >us abide by the "rules"). > >Two goals that I think we would all like to see are: > > 1) Quick and accurate flow problem detection and analysis. > Not only should problems be detected, a solution should > be suggested to correct the problem. A relatively > inexperienced news admin, like myself, are sometimes quite > overwhelmed and appreciate suggestions and advice. > (For you universities playing with expert systems, why > not consider doing something for news administration). Fascinating idea. > > 2) Relief from manually monitoring the news. (My overall > goal is to get the system to monitor itself and only > bother me when there is a problem it can't handle - can > you say lazy, I knew you could). Of course, if you read news daily or so, you'll see the problems yourself. But sure, wanna write a shell script which examines your scanlog output daily and mails you if articles received are too low? That's easy. How about one which examines all articles in tor.news.stats daily and posts something (from 1 site only!) to tor.news indicating where the flow problems are?! This could get to be fun. >How do the rest of you all feel? I realize that what I am suggesting >will amount to a lot of effort; however, I believe that such effort >will reap its own rewards. Yep. The old problem of "I don't have the time - you do it if you want it". Well, if someone wants to write a script based on the algorithm I described above, we can build on it as a community. Better, of course, would be something tied into the netnews software in the form of a control message, "tell me how many articles you received today". That combined with a central database of everyone's sys file could produce a netwide summary, posted daily, of where links seem to be down. Aren't computers wonderful? :-( David Sherman -- { ihnp4!utzoo seismo!mnetor utai watmath decvax!utcsri } !lsuc!dave
peter@methods.UUCP (Peter Blake Mr Sys Adm) (12/18/86)
In article <1456@lsuc.UUCP> dave@lsuc.UUCP (David Sherman) writes: >Anyone object to two news groups: tor.news.admin and tor.news.stats? >tor.news would become a directory only, and actually should be >rmgroup'ed (if your rmgroup is smart enough to not rm -r the directory). > >tor.news.stats would normally not be read by humans except for the >casually curious. tor.news.admin should be read by news administrators >and others concerned with how the news is flowing. I think that splitting tor.news into admin and stats is a good first step into realizing an efficient method to administer the Toronto region news. I would still like to know how the rest of you feel about taking the stats a step further. We're gathering lots of data but we are not really doing anything with it and I still think (see my article <136@methods.UUCP> peter@methods.UUCP) that we should do more. So far I haven't heard yea or nay on the matter (apart from the group separation idea). Is anyone else interested? Am I just getting excited about nothing and should maybe take a valium? Oh well... -- Peter Blake Deadline!?!? What's a deadline? Methodsworks Inc., 3385 Harvester Rd., Burlington, Ontario, L7N 3N2 phone: (416) 632-6500 UUCP: ...!{utzoo!mnetor!genat!maccs,watmath}!methods!peter