henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (04/20/89)
Seems to be a news drought in progress locally -- anybody have any idea why? There are so many redundant feeds into the Toronto area that this is a bit ridiculous -- what's going on? (The outside world verifiably has not gone away -- traffic in "alt", which comes into Toronto by a couple of extra routes, remains brisk.) -- Welcome to Mars! Your | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology passport and visa, comrade? | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
bar@dptcdc.datapoint.com (Brian Ruptash) (04/20/89)
In article <1989Apr19.173049.1553@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >Seems to be a news drought in progress locally -- anybody have any idea >why? There are so many redundant feeds into the Toronto area that this >is a bit ridiculous -- what's going on? A drought? Quite the contrary; over the past week, I've received between 2K and 5K articles a day, averaging about 3K. Where is your feed coming from these days? It's not utgpu or attcan (which I had assumed it should be after our shuffle), as they've both been receiving regular volumes, and don't seem to be feeding to you (you appear to be a redundant feed to attcan). It could be yunexus, but they don't post their stats, and besides, I thought you were feeding them. Perhaps you should start posting your news statistics... Geoff, is it time for another Toronto USENET map? -- Brian Ruptash | Internet: bar@datapoint.com Principal Architect | UUCP: {uunet, utzoo}!dptcdc!bar Datapoint Corporation | Phone: (416) 222-8005
bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) (04/20/89)
In article <1989Apr19.173049.1553@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: |Seems to be a news drought in progress locally -- anybody have any idea |why? There are so many redundant feeds into the Toronto area that this |is a bit ridiculous -- what's going on? To add insult to injury, there seems to be a recirculation of week-old to 10-day-old news in parts of the local feeds. Since some news implementations expire history entries at the same time as articles, these won't be seen as duplicates. |Welcome to Mars! Your | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology |passport and visa, comrade? | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu Cheers, -- O . Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. o _///_ // Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu <`)= _<< BitNet: BECKER@HUMBER.BITNET \\\ \\ "The Net *has* died, and we've taken its place" - Altzilla
da@bvax.UUCP (Dave Sellers) (04/20/89)
In article <1989Apr19.173049.1553@utzoo.uucp>, henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: > Seems to be a news drought in progress locally -- anybody have any idea > why? There are so many redundant feeds into the Toronto area that this > is a bit ridiculous -- what's going on? > I thought the trouble might be local, but if utzoo is not getting much news, there must be a serious problem somewhere. Watch out for the flood!!!!!! Dave
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (04/21/89)
In article <423@dptcdc.datapoint.com> bar@dptcdc.toronto.datapoint.com (Brian Ruptash) writes: >>Seems to be a news drought in progress locally... > >Where is your feed coming from these days? It's not utgpu or attcan >(which I had assumed it should be after our shuffle), as they've >both been receiving regular volumes, and don't seem to be feeding >to you ... It's supposed to be *both* utgpu and attcan. The utgpu problem seems to have been a sys-file mistake; attcan I'm not sure about, although I get a strong sense that things are in transition there and there may be some confusion. >Perhaps you should start posting your news statistics... I should. Trouble is, that's one of a number of network-admin issues that have been in the "to be done as soon as the more urgent stuff is out of the way" for quite some time... -- Mars in 1980s: USSR, 2 tries, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology 2 failures; USA, 0 tries. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (04/21/89)
In article <1989Apr20.202152.21101@utzoo.uucp> I wrote: >[Our feed is] supposed to be *both* utgpu and attcan. The utgpu problem seems >to have been a sys-file mistake; attcan I'm not sure about, although >I get a strong sense that things are in transition there and there may >be some confusion. Turns out that there was a misunderstanding at attcan so we got only some of the articles they got. I'm going to have to start keeping a closer eye on news statistics... -- Mars in 1980s: USSR, 2 tries, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology 2 failures; USA, 0 tries. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) (04/21/89)
In article <1989Apr20.203915.21295@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: | [...] |Turns out that there was a misunderstanding at attcan so we got only some |of the articles they got. I'm going to have to start keeping a closer |eye on news statistics... Does this mean (shudder) a flood of news to come, or has there been (gasp) news lost in transit? |Mars in 1980s: USSR, 2 tries, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology |2 failures; USA, 0 tries. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu In Suspense, -- __ Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. w \cc/ Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu `/v/-e BitNet: BECKER@HUMBER.BITNET _< >_ "A divine sparc turned me from nextrophilia" - NoNuke of the North
geoff@utstat.uucp (Geoff Collyer) (04/21/89)
> Geoff, is it time for another Toronto USENET map?
Gee, I sure hope not :-); it's a lot of work making a Usenet map: you
get stoned by mailed replies to your sendsys control message, then (in
the absence of automatic map-making software) you draw drafts and
finally draw the finished map in pain-staking detail. During the data
collection phase, the shell's "you have mail" prompt is redundant and
novice news administrators phone you up and demand to know why you have
broken security on their machines and stolen their sys files. :-)
Then when you are done, people run around and rearrange all their
netnews connections and in three or four months your map is hopelessly
out of date and people ask you to make another one. :-) It's such
satisfying work producing the map du jour. :-)
In the past I have made maps only twice and both times because Henry
asked for them in order to try to rationalise the Toronto news flow.
Fortunately for me, Henry hasn't needed them too often. If this is
going to be a recurring need, I think it needs to be automated as much
as possible, which probably means someone with more spare time than me
finding or writing appropriate map-drawing software which needs only a
little advice to resolve ambiguous sys file information. Henry has
given me an interesting paper describing how IBM draws maps of SNA
networks, but I haven't had a chance to read it in detail yet. (I don't
have the bits so I can't e-mail it to you and we don't have a FAX. I
can provide the reference to interested parties when I get to work.)
--
Geoff Collyer utzoo!utstat!geoff, geoff@utstat.toronto.edu
It's all Henry's fault. (TM)henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (04/21/89)
In article <433@becker.UUCP> bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) writes: > Does this mean (shudder) a flood of news to come, > or has there been (gasp) news lost in transit? Probably a little of both, if you're fed via utzoo. -- Mars in 1980s: USSR, 2 tries, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology 2 failures; USA, 0 tries. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
bob@vpk3.UUCP (Bob Kyryliuk) (04/22/89)
In article <1989Apr20.203915.21295@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <1989Apr20.202152.21101@utzoo.uucp> Henry writes: >>[Our feed is] supposed to be *both* utgpu and attcan. The utgpu problem seems >>to have been a sys-file mistake; attcan I'm not sure about, although >>I get a strong sense that things are in transition there and there may >>be some confusion. > >Turns out that there was a misunderstanding at attcan so we got only some >of the articles they got. I'm going to have to start keeping a closer >eye on news statistics... Just to give a little more detail/confusion ... attcan was only giving utzoo articles that hadn't gone through jarvis (ie both attcan and utzoo get copies of articles from jarvis via utgpu), and attcan gets articles from uunet as well. We had made this changequite a while back since at the time we were somewhat overloaded from getting four redundant feeds (ie utzoo,dptcdc,utgpu all via jarvis and uunet). When utgpu recently didn't feed some of their jarvis articles to utzoo, they naturally didn't get them from attcan either, and that's when we all realized that there was a problem. We now feed everything to utzoo, even if it's an article that came via jarvis->utgpu so this shouldn't happen again. Regards, Bob -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____ _______ _____ _______ ------- Bob Kyryliuk / __ \ |__ __| / _ \ |__ __| -====------ Manager, Special Projects | (__) | | | \ \ \_\ | | -======------ National Technical Support | __ | | | / \ __ | | --====------- AT&T Canada Inc. | | | | | | | (\ / / | | ----------- |_| |_| |_| \_____/ |_| ------- (416) 756-5183 AT&T MAIL: ..!attmail!bkyryliuk UUCP:{att|cuuxb|uunet|utzoo}!attcan!bob
bar@dptcdc.toronto.datapoint.com (Brian Ruptash) (04/22/89)
In article <1989Apr21.154037.18237@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <433@becker.UUCP> bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) writes: >> Does this mean (shudder) a flood of news to come, >> or has there been (gasp) news lost in transit? > >Probably a little of both, if you're fed via utzoo. I just completed feeding utzoo all the articles I received between April 16th and 20th -- it amounted to roughly 8,000 articles. -- Brian Ruptash | Internet: bar@datapoint.com Principal Architect | UUCP: {uunet, utzoo}!dptcdc!bar Datapoint Corporation | Phone: (416) 222-8005
cks@ziebmef.uucp (Chris Siebenmann) (04/23/89)
In article <429@becker.UUCP> bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) writes: | To add insult to injury, there seems to be a recirculation | of week-old to 10-day-old news in parts of the local feeds. | Since some news implementations expire history entries at | the same time as articles, these won't be seen as duplicates. I suspect that we're getting close to having loops just over the critical time, perhaps due to all the sites that have converted to Cnews. I've seen a lot of duplicates in tor.news.stats and various other groups; the late-arriving duplicates all have rather long paths. Relatively central sites still running Bnews may want to up their history retention times for tor.* groups to try and choke this off. -- "But he said leave me alone I'm a family man and my bark is much worse than my bite" Chris Siebenmann uunet!{utgpu!moore,attcan!telly}!ziebmef!cks cks@ziebmef.UUCP or .....!utgpu!{,ontmoh!,ncrcan!brambo!}cks
cs3b3aj@maccs.McMaster.CA (Stephen M. Dunn) (04/23/89)
Oh well ... Monty Python instructs us to look on the bright side of life, so I guess the bright side is that we get to see larger chunks of each thread at once (although some article duplication occurs, and follow-ups are generally stating things that somebody else said a week ago). -- ====================================================================== ! Stephen M. Dunn, cs3b3aj@maccs.McMaster.CA ! DISCLAIMER: ! ! Goddamn exams! I hate them! I hate them! ! I'm only an undergrad ! ======================================================================
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (04/24/89)
In article <1989Apr22.142911.1685@ziebmef.uucp> cks@ziebmef.UUCP (Chris Siebenmann) writes: >| To add insult to injury, there seems to be a recirculation >| of week-old to 10-day-old news in parts of the local feeds. >| Since some news implementations expire history entries at >| the same time as articles, these won't be seen as duplicates. Lest anyone wonder, C News expire now supports longer retention of history entries. (And it is very nearly finished -- I thought it was finished, but Geoff found a few rough edges in my distribution.) -- Mars in 1980s: USSR, 2 tries, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology 2 failures; USA, 0 tries. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu
bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) (04/25/89)
In article <1989Apr24.151015.15611@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: |In article <1989Apr22.142911.1685@ziebmef.uucp> cks@ziebmef.UUCP (Chris Siebenmann) writes: |>| To add insult to injury, there seems to be a recirculation |>| of week-old to 10-day-old news in parts of the local feeds. |>| Since some news implementations expire history entries at |>| the same time as articles, these won't be seen as duplicates. | |Lest anyone wonder, C News expire now supports longer retention of history |entries. (And it is very nearly finished -- I thought it was finished, |but Geoff found a few rough edges in my distribution.) Actually I wrote that, in response to a point raised by Chris - the good news in any case is the hint that the release of C News is immenent, yay! Cheers, -- __ Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. w \cc/ Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu `/v/-e BitNet: BECKER@HUMBER.BITNET _< >_ "A divine sparc turned me from nextrophilia" - NoNuke of the North