wcm@geac.com (W Christopher Martin) (01/06/90)
I've seen a couple references to news hierarchies that appear
to be gatewayed to/from BITNET mailing lists. Are there any
Toronto area sites that are willing to pass these on via
uucp?
wcm
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W. Christopher Martin wcm@geac.com or {uunet!jtsv16,utgpu,yunexus}!geac!wcmbdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) (01/06/90)
In article <1990Jan5.195044.6085@geac.com> wcm@geac.com (W Christopher Martin) writes: |I've seen a couple references to news hierarchies that appear |to be gatewayed to/from BITNET mailing lists. Are there any |Toronto area sites that are willing to pass these on via |uucp? You can inject mailing lists directly into news yourself. Just subscribe to the list using a suitable alias, and in your "/usr/lib/aliases" file send the mail to a script that injects into a newsgroup. Make the newsgroup moderated and put the newsgroup's address in the "/usr/lib/news/mailpaths" file. If you're running "smail", I have a patch which allows piping of mail into a program or script, if you need it. Cheers, -- \\\\ Bruce Becker Toronto, Ont. w \66/ Internet: bdb@becker.UUCP, bruce@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu `/v/-e BitNet: BECKER@HUMBER.BITNET _< \_ "We can't afford to igNoriega this" - George 'Thug-free' Bush
lamy@cs.utoronto.ca (Jean-Francois Lamy) (01/06/90)
wcm@geac.com (W Christopher Martin) writes: |I've seen a couple references to news hierarchies that appear |to be gatewayed to/from BITNET mailing lists. Are there any |Toronto area sites that are willing to pass these on via |uucp? Many of the bitnet LISTSERV mailing lists into corresponding bit.listserv.* newsgroups, and jarvis.csri.toronto.edu gets those. Some tend to be a bit esoteric and specialized, but not more so than some of the rather narrow comp.* groups. We could let the bit.* groups out (the volume is not that high), but since we only feed torsqnt the other sites on campus that feed local sites would have to accept and redistribute bit.* in the first place. There is a slight coordination problem here: gpu.utcs used to do the same sort of gatewaying with bitnet.* newsgroups that were local to UofT, and at this point it is not clear how the two will be merged. The title of your message mentions list.* newsgroups. These UofT newsgroups consist of direct subscriptions to mailing lists from the Internet and Bitnet. As it turns out, all but 4 of the list.* that we were getting from Bitnet are now bit.listserv newsgroups, and so most of those might go. The other lists are Internet lists that are not gatewayed into newsgroups. One problem with letting the list.* newsgroups out is that Usenet is like a soggy diaper and leaks from all sides. Next thing we'll know they'll reach Australia and people will complain. So I'm not too hot on letting them out in that form. I've included the list of bit.* and list.* newsgroups at the end, so people can make up their minds on how much interest there is (remember that leaking bit.* is easy, and the list.* newsgroups would require thinking about it) bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) writes: > You can inject mailing lists directly into > news yourself. Just subscribe to the list > using a suitable alias, and in your "/usr/lib/aliases" Remember that the Internet and Bitnet traffic to the US still travel on a single 56Kbps link (38.4Kbps for the Internet side) and that it is very congested. Given that the articles are already making it up north, and until which time we can swim in network bandwidth (not for the foreseeable future), it makes more sense to get the articles from a source North of the border. In particular, vm.utcs.utoronto.ca seems to get most of the Bitnet listserv stuff on their own listserv, so that would be a preferred source for getting bitnet lists (assuming we don't get the bit.listserv groups out) Jean-Francois Lamy lamy@cs.utoronto.ca, uunet!cs.utoronto.ca!lamy Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bit.general General BITNET info. 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wcm@geac.com (W Christopher Martin) (01/07/90)
In article <90Jan6.091415est.2181@neat.cs.toronto.edu> lamy@cs.utoronto.ca (Jean-Francois Lamy) writes: >We could let the bit.* groups out (the volume is not that >high), but since we only feed torsqnt the other sites on campus that feed >local sites would have to accept and redistribute bit.* in the first place. We currently have a mail link with torsqnt. I'll contact them to see if some arrangement can be made for them to pass on these groups, assuming jarvis.csri.toronto.edu will feed them. >I've included the list of bit.* and list.* newsgroups at the end, so people >can make up their minds on how much interest there is (remember that leaking >bit.* is easy, and the list.* newsgroups would require thinking about it) Thanks for the list. Geac is definitely interested in obtaining as many of these groups as you are willing to distribute. As always, we'll pass them along to any site to which we currently feed news. >bdb@becker.UUCP (Bruce Becker) writes: > >> You can inject mailing lists directly into >> news yourself. Just subscribe to the list >> using a suitable alias, and in your "/usr/lib/aliases" > >Remember that the Internet and Bitnet traffic to the US still travel on a >single 56Kbps link (38.4Kbps for the Internet side) and that it is very >congested. Given that the articles are already making it up north, and until >which time we can swim in network bandwidth (not for the foreseeable future), >it makes more sense to get the articles from a source North of the border. That was exactly the reason I posted my original query. I had seen the recent announcement in comp.archives about the availabilty of the various Bitnet mailing lists, and had considered subscribing to several. I thought it was ridiculous to subscribe if the messages were already getting to Toronto, especially if someone was already gatewaying them into USENET-style newsgroups. Since I knew almost nothing about the bit.* and list.* hierarchies, I intentionally kept my query short to avoid spreading disinformation in case my assumptions about those groups were wrong. Jean-Francois has confirmed what I had guessed. >In particular, vm.utcs.utoronto.ca seems to get most of the Bitnet listserv >stuff on their own listserv, so that would be a preferred source for getting >bitnet lists (assuming we don't get the bit.listserv groups out). Assuming that jarvis.csri.toronto.edu and torsqnt agree to start exchanging the bit.* groups, it would be still advantageous to have a redundant link from the UofT to the outside world. Are there other UofT sites with external links (eg. utzoo) that would be willing to volunteer? wcm -- W. Christopher Martin wcm@geac.com or {uunet!jtsv16,utgpu,yunexus}!geac!wcm
henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) (01/10/90)
In article <1990Jan7.032701.17438@geac.com> wcm@geac.com (W Christopher Martin) writes: >Assuming that jarvis.csri.toronto.edu and torsqnt agree to start >exchanging the bit.* groups, it would be still advantageous to have a >redundant link from the UofT to the outside world. Are there other >UofT sites with external links (eg. utzoo) that would be willing >to volunteer? I think the feed from utgpu to utzoo is actually giving us those groups, although they aren't in our active file and hence are getting bounced. I'll check into this. Provided volumes aren't horrendous, we have no objection to passing them on to the folks we feed. -- 1972: Saturn V #15 flight-ready| Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology 1990: birds nesting in engines | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu