griffith@con.Berkeley.EDU (Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith) (12/17/89)
First off, I'd like to propose that the group be joint moderated by Mike Brown (Vidiot) and myself. Mike's posting are generally of a nature where they'd be posted to the group anyways. Between the two of us, I think we'd do a pretty good job. Second, whether or not I am a moderator, I'd like to outline what *I* see to be the criteria for articles in this group. Due to the one-week expiration date of news articles at my site (due to space limitations - we receive *all* groups), I missed the original proposal. This is based on what people have said since the original proposal. 1) Announcement of upcoming conventions, appearances, televised interviews, or anything of similar nature. 2) Post-convention summaries, primarily consisting of summaries of guest speakers' talks. 3) Word-for-word copies of newspaper articles. Said articles should deal with specific Star Trek news, such as news about upcoming movies, episodes, interviews with Star Trek people. Articles expressing opinions, such as movie reviews, would not generally be accepted. 4) Advertisements for Star Trek related offers, such as the Franklin Mint Enterprise replicas. 5) Any other information which comes *first-hand* from a Star Trek source (writers, production people, cast members). 6) Official Paramount press releases and information. Of these, items 1 and 4 are probably the most difficult to moderate. Many conventions are not specifically Star Trek oriented. Any such conventions must have some obvious connection to Star Trek in order to warrant being posted. Advertisements are also somewhat difficult, as there are a lot of hucksters out there. My initial reaction is that any advertisement that qualifies must be from a source that does not normally or regularly promote or market Star Trek goods. This would allow advertisements for the Kraft Marshmallow Dispenser, but not for advertisements from Lincoln Enterprises, etc. Anyways, this is just my impression of how the group would be run. Assuming that this basic outline is followed, then "rec.arts.startrek.info" is more appropriate than "rec.arts.startrek.announce", as items in group 2 aren't announcements per se. I'm proposing all of this for general discussion, so please comment on the appropriateness (or inappropriateness) of what I'm proposing. Jim ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Griffith /--OO--\ | ...!ucbvax!scam!griffith | "Take my Worf. Please" BEWARE BATS WITHOUT NOSES! |
flint@me.utoronto.ca (Kenneth R. Flint) (12/18/89)
griffith@con.Berkeley.EDU (Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith) writes: >Anyways, this is just my impression of how the group would be run. Assuming >that this basic outline is followed, then "rec.arts.startrek.info" is more >appropriate than "rec.arts.startrek.announce", as items in group 2 aren't >announcements per se. I'm proposing all of this for general discussion, so >please comment on the appropriateness (or inappropriateness) of what I'm >proposing. As a first "knee-jerk" reaction, it looks like Jim has thought this out very well and the outine (that I deleted) seems very appropriate. Thus, I support what Jim has proposed. I think the group designation, "rec.arts.startrek.info", following Jim's outline, is a more appropriate title as well. Thanks for volunteering, Jim. Ken -- Kenneth Flint flint@me.utoronto.ca UUCP: ...!utai!me!flint flint@me.toronto.edu "Several years ago I said goodbye to my own sanity... [ Jays in 1990, Argos & but I don't mind at all" --Bourgeois Tagg-- [ Maple Leafs whenever!
louise@pravda.gatech.edu (Louise Penberthy) (12/19/89)
In article <20771@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> griffith@con.Berkeley.EDU (Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith) writes: >[proposal for moderated rec.arts.startrek.announce] > > 1) Announcement of upcoming conventions, appearances, televised > interviews, or anything of similar nature. Would this include all actors who ever appeared on any of the shows or in any of the movies? Just the principals? Who? I hope the former; I would like to hear if John DeLancie, for instance, were to appear in some other show. > 4) Advertisements for Star Trek related offers, such as the Franklin > Mint Enterprise replicas. And the VISA card? :-) > 5) Any other information which comes *first-hand* from a Star Trek > source (writers, production people, cast members). In other words, Mike Okuda would have to submit it himself, instead of talking to someone else who would submit it? At first blush, this sounds too restrictive. After all, very few of these "first-hand" people read USENET News, isn't that so? What is the usual method for choosing a moderator? Didn't Kyle Jones also offer to moderate? I will be on vacation for two weeks, and so will be mum on the subject for that time, but Jim's proposal sounds okay to me. -- Louise Penberthy | "... as well as several small areas of thermal School of ICS, Georgia Tech | radiation and carbon dioxide emissions Atlanta, GA 30332 | indicative of combustion." "*Campfires*, louise@pravda.gatech.edu | Data." "Is that not what I said?"
kjones@talos.uu.net (Kyle Jones) (12/19/89)
Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith outlines acceptable r.a.s.i postings: > [...] > 4) Advertisements for Star Trek related offers, such as the Franklin > Mint Enterprise replicas. I recommend changing the word "advertisement", to "announcement". If we're talking about ads, you have to decide how often to allow the ad to be repeated. Announcements are one time only. I've seen the Franklin Mint replica mentioned several times in r.a.s, I'd rather see it only once in r.a.s.i, if at all.
tvf@cci632.UUCP (Tom Frauenhofer) (12/19/89)
In article <20771@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> griffith@con.Berkeley.EDU (Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith) writes:
->Second, whether or not I am a moderator, I'd like to outline what *I* see
->to be the criteria for articles in this group. Due to the one-week
->expiration date of news articles at my site (due to space limitations -
->we receive *all* groups), I missed the original proposal. This is based
->on what people have said since the original proposal.
->
-> 3) Word-for-word copies of newspaper articles. Said articles should
-> deal with specific Star Trek news, such as news about upcoming
-> movies, episodes, interviews with Star Trek people. Articles
-> expressing opinions, such as movie reviews, would not generally
-> be accepted.
Be careful - this stuff is copyrighted.
Thomas V. Frauenhofer ...!rutgers!rochester!cci632!ccird7!tvf *or*
...!attctc!swamps!frau!tvf (tvf@frau, tvf@cci632) Daffy Duck Sings:
"I once knew an acrobat's daughter who swung by her teeth from a noose. 'Til
one day her bridgework gave way, and she flew through the air like a Goose!"kjones@talos.uu.net (Kyle Jones) (12/19/89)
Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith writes: > 3) Word-for-word copies of newspaper articles. Said articles should > deal with specific Star Trek news, such as news about upcoming > movies, episodes, interviews with Star Trek people. Articles > expressing opinions, such as movie reviews, would not generally > be accepted. > Tom Frauenhofer writes: > Be careful - this stuff is copyrighted. Very good point; if I were moderating I wouldn't touch these. A pointer to the magazine or newspaper should be sufficient, especially if the publication is distributed nationally or internationally. Excerpts from local dailies are trickier; summaries of these articles would be appropriate I think.
lori@hacgate.scg.hac.com (Lori Barfield) (12/20/89)
>Tom Frauenhofer writes (about reprinting copyrighted Star Trek stuff on net): > > Be careful - this stuff is copyrighted. > In article <1989Dec19.140829.23751@talos.uu.net> kjones@talos.uu.net writes: >Very good point; if I were moderating I wouldn't touch these. [...] Excerpts made for purposes of review do not violate copyrights. Full reprints are a no-no without permission (hey, they gotta make a living too). Use this rule of thumb: Have you duplicated so much of the original publication that your readers won't want to go buy their own to read further? Or have you just printed enough to highlight the interesting parts so they can tell whether it's worth the $$? I'd like to read rec.arts.startrek, but I just can't keep up with it. The proposed newsgroup has my support. There is a very clear line between discussion (the original group) and announcements or non-editorial reviews of published information (the proposed group). ...lori
cwayne@hydra.unm.edu (Chris Wayne SCONS) (12/21/89)
In article <6517@hacgate.scg.hac.com> lori@hacgate.UUCP (Lori Barfield) writes: >Excerpts made for purposes of review do not violate copyrights. Full >reprints are a no-no without permission (hey, they gotta make a living too). >Use this rule of thumb: Have you duplicated so much of the original >publication that your readers won't want to go buy their own to read >further? Or have you just printed enough to highlight the interesting >parts so they can tell whether it's worth the $$? > If I want the whole magazine, I'll get the whole thing (and I usually do, I've picked up some of the weirdest magazines just to get the one paragraph blurp reguarding startrek), if not, then I just want the article. I could care less how I get it or where it's from, it's not important, I'm a collector. All that's important is that I get it with the author's name attached to it. One thing that is needed is that whenever someone does post all or part of an article, is to include magazine, vol, page, paragraph, etc, instead of saying "... in last week's TV Guide there is this article about ... ." Boy, that bugs me. Chris Wayne @ UNM | "THE CAST AND CREW OF STAR TREK WISH TO DEDICATE cwayne@charon.unm.edu | THIS FILM TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE SPACESHIP --------aka--------------+ CHALLENGER, THEIR COURAGEOUS SPIRIT SHALL LIVE Don Quixote \ ON TO THE 23RD CENTURY AND BEYOND."
jp@frog.UUCP (John Pimentel) (12/22/89)
In article <20771@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> griffith@con.Berkeley.EDU (Jim "The Big Dweeb" Griffith) writes: > >First off, I'd like to propose that the group be joint moderated by >Mike Brown (Vidiot) and myself. Mike's posting are generally of a Good, someone(s) have actually come out and said "here I am". [...I have deleted Jim's proposal, because I agree fully with it and find no errors in his approach.] >Anyways, this is just my impression of how the group would be run. Assuming >that this basic outline is followed, then "rec.arts.startrek.info" is more >appropriate than "rec.arts.startrek.announce", I also agree here that rec.arts.startrek.info covers more the proposed group rather than rec.arts.startrek.announce. I also appreciate that Mike is volunteering (officially) since alot of info (accurate and concise) has been coming from him. Even if he doesn't end up being a part of the moderation team at the very least his input so go directly on line. --- Take care and have a good day. John. STANDARD DISCLAIMER APPLIES. UUCP: frog!jp