brent@rtech.UUCP (11/20/87)
I live in an apartment until I save the half-billion dollars required to buy
a house in these parts. While I can't build the 5,000 gallon Koi pond that
homeowners have in their backyards, I'd like to keep a few 6-8" koi in an
aquarium inside.
I've read about the herculean efforts many people endure to filter the pond
for their outdoor pools. If any of you out there have koi in an aquarium,
please either post to the net or mail me any tips on what you do that works
or doesn't work. Specifics include:
- filter type and brand name of filter
- size of aquarium -- I'm looking at something along the
lines of 55-70 gallons. Is this big enough for about 10
6" fish?
- maintenance procedures
- Do they need direct sun occasionally? This would influence
location, which would influence size of tank...
- Is this a dumb idea or does it have a chance.
Thanks in advance for any help.
-brent williams Relational Technology, Inc.
1080 Marina Village Parkway
{amdahl,sun,mtxinu,cpsc6a,hoptoad} Alameda, CA 94501
!rtech!brent (415)-769-1400
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-brent williams Relational Technology, Inc.
1080 Marina Village Parkway
{amdahl,sun,mtxinu,cpsc6a,hoptoad} Alameda, CA 94501
!rtech!brent (415)-769-1400kus3@sphinx.UUCP (11/20/87)
In article <1414@rtech.UUCP> brent@rtech.UUCP (Brent Williams) writes: > >I live in an apartment until I save the half-billion dollars required to buy >a house in these parts. While I can't build the 5,000 gallon Koi pond that >homeowners have in their backyards, I'd like to keep a few 6-8" koi in an >aquarium inside. > >I've read about the herculean efforts many people endure to filter the pond >for their outdoor pools. If any of you out there have koi in an aquarium, >please either post to the net or mail me any tips on what you do that works >or doesn't work. I don't really know about keeping around 10 big koi in an aquarium, but I've have success keeping 2 big koi and a bunch of little fish (don't know if they're baby kois or goldfish, I don't pay that much attention) in a 10 gallon tank with this really old filter system (works on water pressure, no eletricity :-) and basicly clean out the tank every 2-4 months. Unfortunately, I only keep them indoors for the winter and bring them out to an "outdoor tank" when it warms up enough. I really don't know about long term effects in an indoor aquarium. Hope this helps. Bob Kusumoto Internet: kus3@sphinx.uchicago.edu BITNET: kus3@sphinx.uchicago.bitnet UUCP: ...{!inhp4!gargoyle,!oddjob}!sphinx!kus3
andre@nrc-ut.UUCP (11/21/87)
In article <1414@rtech.UUCP> brent@rtech.UUCP (Brent Williams) writes: >I live in an apartment until I save the half-billion dollars required to buy >a house in these parts. While I can't build the 5,000 gallon Koi pond that >homeowners have in their backyards, I'd like to keep a few 6-8" koi in an >aquarium inside. Unless you plan of having a 150+ gallon aquarium, I think it is cruel to put that large of a fish in such a small area. I always hate it when I see an aquarium containing a fish which can hardly even turn around. Koi are a lot like goldfish (actually they are related). Perhaps some fancy goldfish would suit your tastes? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- sdcsvax-\ ihnp4-\ \ \ Andre' Hut sdcrdcf!psivax!nrcvax!nrc-ut!andre / / / hplabs--/ ucbvax!calma-/ / utah-gr!uplherc/ Network Research Corporation 923 Executive Park Dr. Suite C Salt Lake City, Utah 84117 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) (11/22/87)
In article <1414@rtech.UUCP> brent@rtech.UUCP (Brent Williams) writes: > >I live in an apartment until I save the half-billion dollars required to buy >a house in these parts. While I can't build the 5,000 gallon Koi pond that >homeowners have in their backyards, I'd like to keep a few 6-8" koi in an >aquarium inside. Not one of your all time great ideas. While it can be done, remember that koi get BIG (18"+) and require LOTS of oxygen. Also, they prefer cold water, which has more dissolved oxygen, so make that LOTS and LOTS of oxygen. They are also pretty dirty fish; this is mostly due to their size. Big fish = big waste. Having said that : >I've read about the herculean efforts many people endure to filter the pond >for their outdoor pools. If any of you out there have koi in an aquarium, >please either post to the net or mail me any tips on what you do that works >or doesn't work. Specifics include: > > - filter type and brand name of filter The most powerful you can afford. > - size of aquarium -- I'm looking at something along the > lines of 55-70 gallons. Is this big enough for about 10 > 6" fish? As big as you can afford. That size tank is ok for that many fish that size, but after they have all doubled in size, that tank is now too small. > - maintenance procedures Nothing special. > - Do they need direct sun occasionally? This would influence ll fish do better with some sunlight, but they strictly dont need it. Colors improve when fish get some (no, filtered by glass doesn't count. The UV is filtered out) sunlight. > location, which would influence size of tank... Not important. > - Is this a dumb idea or does it have a chance. Well, both. It has a chance, because I've seen it done. :-) They need SO much space though, you'd need a really big tank for the fish to attain any reasonable size. Remember that when fish are crowded, they don't grow as much. So, if you are content with potentially stunted fish, have a large tank, and a powerfull filter, then, yeah, it'll work. They would be *MUCH* happier in a pond though. >-brent williams -- Richard J. Sexton INTERNET: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, ihnp4, nosc}!crash!gryphon!richard "It's too dark to put the keys in my ignition..."
kent@xanth.UUCP (Kent Paul Dolan) (11/23/87)
Just a note about keeping larger fish. I keep cats and fish. The price of large cans of fish food is out of sight. However, my fish have been thriving for months on a steady diet of catfood! The catfood is _lots_ cheaper, and not nearly so messy. Since I rotate my cats through the major catfood brands daily, the fish have a reasonably varied diet, and are healthy, eat well, and have good color. Kent, the (impoverished) man from xanth.
greg@ncrcan.UUCP (11/26/87)
In article <2368@gryphon.CTS.COM> richard@gryphon.CTS.COM (Richard Sexton) writes: >In article <1414@rtech.UUCP> brent@rtech.UUCP (Brent Williams) writes: >> >>I live in an apartment until I save the half-billion dollars required to buy >>a house in these parts. While I can't build the 5,000 gallon Koi pond that >>homeowners have in their backyards, I'd like to keep a few 6-8" koi in an >>aquarium inside. > >Not one of your all time great ideas. While it can be done, remember >that koi get BIG (18"+) and require LOTS of oxygen. Also, they prefer >cold water, which has more dissolved oxygen, so make that LOTS and LOTS >of oxygen. what's a Koi? -- "Shit Happens!" +-------------------------------------------------------+-------------------+ | UUCP: ..!mnetor!utzoo!lsuc!ncrcan!greg | Greg Foisy | | INTERNET: Greg.Foisy@Toronto.NCR.COM | NCR Canada Ltd. | | CANPOST: 6865 Century Ave, Mississauga, Ont. L5N 2E2 | (416) 826-9000 | +-------------------------------------------------------+-------------------+
andre@nrc-ut.UUCP (Andre' Hut) (12/02/87)
In article <470@ncrcan.Toronto.NCR.COM> greg@ncrcan.Toronto.NCR.COM (Greg Foisy) writes: > what's a Koi? A Koi is basically a large goldfish. It is a carp. You may have seen them in outdoor ponds. They are anywhere from 3 inches to a couple feet long, gold, orange, white are common colors. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- sdcsvax-\ ihnp4-\ \ \ Andre' Hut sdcrdcf!psivax!nrcvax!nrc-ut!andre / / / hplabs--/ ucbvax!calma-/ / utah-gr!uplherc/ Network Research Corporation 923 Executive Park Dr. Suite C Salt Lake City, Utah 84117 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
richard@gryphon.UUCP (12/03/87)
In article <470@ncrcan.Toronto.NCR.COM> greg@ncrcan.Toronto.NCR.COM (Greg Foisy) writes: > > what's a Koi? Short answer: Ornamental Japanese carp. Longish answer: Carassius Auratus Gibelio x Carassius Carassius is a hybrid, known as "koi", "Nishiki koi" or "Japanese colored carp". Native throughout Europe and Asia in its wild (gray) form. Very peaceful, size to about 18 inches. Omniverous. Koi were "invented" when the Japanese crossed the two species of carp and produced hybrids in all different color varieties. Breeding, over the years has settled color forms into 19 different varieties. They range from solis white, to solid gold, solid red, scaleless except for 3 rows of scales, varigated white/yellow/orange etc. The colors change as the fish mature, so a small white fish might end up being solid red when mature. There are some very serios Koi breeders, shows, etc. Prizewining Koi cost many K$. And are best raised in outdoor ponds, doing esp. well in California and Hawaii. > >-- > "Shit Happens!" > > +-------------------------------------------------------+-------------------+ > | UUCP: ..!mnetor!utzoo!lsuc!ncrcan!greg | Greg Foisy | > | INTERNET: Greg.Foisy@Toronto.NCR.COM | NCR Canada Ltd. | > | CANPOST: 6865 Century Ave, Mississauga, Ont. L5N 2E2 | (416) 826-9000 | > +-------------------------------------------------------+-------------------+ -- Richard J. Sexton INTERNET: richard@gryphon.CTS.COM UUCP: {hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, ihnp4, nosc}!crash!gryphon!richard "It's too dark to put the keys in my ignition..."