Sun-Spots-Request@RICE.EDU (William LeFebvre) (09/14/87)
SUN-SPOTS DIGEST Monday, 14 September 1987 Volume 5 : Issue 42
Today's Topics:
Administrivia: the archive server
/etc/rc P.S.
Re: disks and message from C. Hedrick
Re: STC tape controller for Suns
tar tape troubles
Re: Matrox MIP-512 support (for X, SunView, NeWS)
mathematical WYSIWYG text processor for Sun 3?
source for DC600XTD 1/4" cartridge tapes?
Ciprico 3200+M2361A on 3/160 settings?
MAP3270 and VT100 emulator?
Sun-4 MMU redesigned?
color or black and white?
Graphics Package Wanted
Help needed - laser printer installation
A "vi" icon
A news icon
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 87 14:05:04 CDT
From: William LeFebvre <phil@Rice.edu>
Subject: Administrivia: the archive server
The archive server seems to be working satisfactorally, but there are two
things I want to mention about it.
First, everyone please disregard the copyright notice that appeared at the
top of the retrieved messages. It incorrectly stated that the information
in the message was copyrighted by the Usenet Community Trust. ALL
information in the archives---the icons, the Sun-Spots issues, and the
sources---are in the public domain unless they explicitly state otherwise.
The copyright notice was inserted by the original author of the archive
server for his own archives, but the copyright is not applicable to the
information in our archives. The server no longer prepends the notice.
Second, the server rejects mail that looks like it came from usernames
such as "daemon", "root", "mailer-daemon", and unfortunately, "system".
If any of these substrings appear in your "From:" line, the system will
never process your message. I will very likely remove the string "system"
from this list in the near future, since it has caused a great deal of
inconvenience.
William LeFebvre
Department of Computer Science
Rice University
<phil@Rice.edu>
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Date: 11 Sep 1987 1443 EDT (Friday)
From: geoff@utstat.toronto.edu
Subject: /etc/rc P.S.
I forgot to mention that I moved tail from /usr/ucb (I have no idea why it
was there) to /bin to make rc output appear on the console.
Geoff Collyer utzoo!utstat!geoff, utstat.toronto.{edu,cdn}!geoff
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 87 11:07:47 EDT
From: cmcl2!rutgers!rochester!srs!matt@hp-pcd.UUCP (Matt Goheen)
Subject: Re: disks and message from C. Hedrick
Well, I must take exception to a couple of points you made in your
Sun-Spots submission. Although older studies may have shown that the swap
partition was the most heavily used, I don't believe that is the case
anymore. The reason is the invention of the ZMAGIC a.out format (demand
load). With this format, the text portion is loaded in from where ever it
resides on disk (would seem to make the sticky bit not-very-useful). I'm
not sure what happens to the data segment, I suppose that it is still
allocated in the swap area. Also, if you have lots of memory, the swap
area gets less and less frequently accessed. Since both of these are
modern trends (i.e. ZMAGIC and more memory), it would seem to at least
partially invalidate your assumption (based on presumably older machine
archetectures).
Also, although it is true that I/O bandwidth will not be increased by
adding an extra disk, I/O throughput MAY be increased due to the support
of overlapping seeks (I believe as of Sun OS 3.2). This won't do much,
but it helps a little (basically, like having an extra set of independent
heads on one disk drive).
Anyway, I don't know the real answers. We do the same as you, split up
the file systems and nd partitions to be under as many different
controllers (and disks) as possible. Obviously, splitting up by
controller is the big win...
Matt Goheen
S.R. Systems
{ames,rutgers}!rochester!srs!matt
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 87 16:00 EDT
From: sysruth@utorphys.bitnet
Subject: Re: STC tape controller for Suns
You have at least 2 alternatives.
1. AVIV (in Boston and possibly other places) makes a controller board
for STC drives (other people may as well; this is the only one I
know of). It is currently a Multibus board and uses a standard
adapter, but I hear rumours that they will have a VME interface out
in the not-too-distant future. The driver is the problem here. At
the moment the only one available is from Brown University, and you
must have a source licence from AT&T to get it (and then they send
it on tape :-). We have installed it here but have not yet had much
chance to test it. I have heard from some other people that while
it works it is not as functional as the Pertec driver that comes with
the Sun software. I have been told by AVIV that they are working on
their own driver (possibly to be released with their VME board?).
We have not found any problems at all with the hardware part.
2. The other alternative is to go with the standard Pertec Xylogics
board and driver. It is possible to change a few boards in the tape drive
and add a convertor on the back (to modify the signals?), and then it
will talk Pertec instead of STC. I know that Systems Industries (for
one) sells Fujitsu tape drives (normally STC) with these adaptors
pre-fitted, but I do not know how much it costs or even if it can
be bought separately.
AVIV also sells switch boxes that will allow you to share the same STC tape
drive with VAXes (or other Suns), which is how we have our system set up.
It works very well.
Ruth Milner
Systems Manager
University of Toronto Physics
BITNET (preferred): sysruth@utorphys
uucp: ...!seismo!utai!utgpu!radio!helios!root
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 87 19:42:16 EDT
From: Bernard Silver <bs30%gte-labs.csnet@relay.cs.net>
Subject: tar tape troubles
I recently upgraded from a Sun 2-120 to a 3-160. During this transfer I
put my files on 1/4in SCSI tape. Now I have succeeded in messing up my
most valuable tape!
I created the tape on the Sun 2-120 using the commands:
cd /usr2
tar cf /dev/rst0 .
and this worked fine.
When it came time to put them on the 3, I used
cd /usr2
tar cf /dev/rst0
(without the period)
Spot the (far from) deliberate mistake!
This terminated quickly, but not before writing a marker at the beginning
of the tape. (Of course, the tape was not write-protected, why bother
with these childish precautions.) Now I cant read the tape.
Does anyone know anyway I can get at least some of the files from the tape
(I don't actually need the first few) The people at Sun don't seem to be
able to help. Failing that, are there contractors etc who might be able
to help (I presume the NSA could do it, but apart from them...)
Thanks,
Bernard Silver
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Date: 11 Sep 87 18:22:04 GMT
From: ralphw@ius2.cs.cmu.edu (Ralph Hyre)
Subject: Re: Matrox MIP-512 support (for X, SunView, NeWS)
zach%vax.runit.unit.uninett@TOR.NTA.NO (Morten Zachrisen) writes:
> We've got a Matrox-512 in our Sun-2/120. Anybody know about X-server/
> Sun driver for this card?
The Sun X server would automagically support this if we could convince our
MIP-512 driver to work with the suntools library. (It works fine with
just pixrects, and implements the FBIOGETTYPE ioctl, even though Suntools
claims it doesn't) Apparently there are some 'dd' routines (SunCore
device drivers, perhaps?) that are needed as well, and we couldn't find
documentation on what you REALLY needed for SunView support.
Has anybody been able to write a driver for a non-Sun frame buffer that
works with SunView? How will this all be affected by NeWS? (does the
NeWS server just use the pixrect library?)
Ralph W. Hyre, Jr.
Internet: ralphw@ius2.cs.cmu.edu Phone:(412)268-{2847,3275} CMU-{BUGS,DARK}
Amateur Packet Radio: N3FGW@W2XO, or c/o W3VC, CMU Radio Club, Pittsburgh, PA
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 87 08:48:24 +0200
From: gutorm@tor.nta.no (Gutorm Hoegaasen FFI)
Subject: mathematical WYSIWYG text processor for Sun 3?
I am interested in a WYSIWYG text processor, being able to handle
mathematical formulas, and to create special characters. It is not
necessery for me to draw Mickey Mouse and his friends on the screen ...
Of course, price is important, and the program should be running on a Sun
3. Has anyone out there experience with such programs?
snailmail: gutorm hogasen
inst. of mathematics
university of oslo
box 1053 blindern
0316 oslo.
email: gutorm@tor.nta.no
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Date: 11 Sep 87 06:32:35 GMT
From: tamir@cs.ucla.edu (Yuval Tamir)
Subject: source for DC600XTD 1/4" cartridge tapes?
I am looking for a source for DC600XTD 1/4" cartridge tapes. My previous
supplier (Compulog) is out of stock and I have not had much luck finding
an alternate source. If you have purchased such tapes recently, please
let me know where you got them and how much you paid. If there is
sufficient interest I will post the results on the net.
Yuval Tamir
Internet: tamir@cs.ucla.edu
UUCP: ...!{ihnp4,ucbvax,sdcrdcf,trwspp,randvax,ism780}!ucla-cs!tamir
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Date: 13 Sep 87 23:18:32 GMT
From: umn-cs!haberman@rutgers.edu (Joe Habermann)
Subject: Ciprico 3200+M2361A on 3/160 settings?
This is a request for help from anyone who has successfully brought up a
Ciprico Rimfire 3200 Disk Controller with a M2361A disk. Really what I
need is the jumper settings on the controller and the sector count for the
dip-switches on the disk. Please don't flame me with "read the manual,
dummy" as I have and it seems I've seen conflicting data between manuals.
(No specifics, I'm not sure enough.)
Many thanks,
Joe Habermann
rutgers!meccts!umn-cs!haberman
haberman@umn-cs.ARPA
haberman@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu
[[ Rayan Zachariassen <rayan%ai.toronto.edu@relay.cs.net> recently posted
a review of the Cheetah and the Rimfire to this list (so I assume he got
the Rimfire working). You might want to check with him. --wnl ]]
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1987 10:47:57 LCL
From: Darryl E. Marsee <demarsee@suvm.bitnet>
Subject: MAP3270 and VT100 emulator?
We have a network with some Sun 3/50's and a Sun 3/280 server, and we'd
like to find the following:
1. A MAP3270 file from TN3270 already set up for a Sun 3/50
2. A VT100 emulator for Sun 3/50's. All info, both for public
domain and purchaseable software, would be appreciated.
Many Thanks and Regards,
Darryl E. Marsee
Network Systems Programmer & Postmaster
Syracuse University
INTERNET: DEMARSEE%SUVM.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU
AT&TNET: 10288-1-315-423-1816
SNAILNET: 221 Machinery Hall
Syracuse, New York 13244-1260 USA
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 87 20:44:21 EDT
From: dae@psuvax1.psu.edu (Dave Eckhardt)
Subject: Sun-4 MMU redesigned?
Does anybody know if the Sun-4 has a redesigned (ie, >8 proc) MMU?
Thanks
--Daemon (Dave Eckhardt)
Work-Phone: +1 814 865 9505
Home-Phone: +1 814 237 6630
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Date: 11 Sep 87 19:45:34 GMT
From: ihnp4!m10ux!rgr@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Duke Robillard)
Subject: color or black and white?
Hi there,
How can you tell whether your sun has a color display or a black and white
(don't tell me to look at the monitor, I mean from inside a C program).
grazie
Duke
ihnp4!m10ux!rgr
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 87 18:06:16 EDT
From: Srivas@udel.edu
Subject: Graphics Package Wanted
I am looking for graphics packages that may be used on a Sun for
representing finite state machines. If you have, or know of someone who
might have, developed software to graphically display finite state
automata, please send me mail at
ARPA: srivas@udel.edu
BITNET: srivas@udel.edu
CSNET: srivas%udel.edu@relay.cs.net
UUCP: ...!ihnp4!berkeley -\
...!allegra!berkeley -->!srivas@udel.edu
...!harvard -/
If you know of any publications that have information about graphically
displaying finite state machines, please send me mail about them.
Thanks.
Srivas
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Date: Mon, 14 Sep 87 08:48:08 PDT
From: trainor@cod.nosc.mil (Kathryn R. Trainor)
Subject: Help needed - laser printer installation
A co-worker is having some difficulty with a laser printer and asked me to
help. Since I wasn't able to help him, I was wondering if anyone could
offer him any suggestions, experiences, etc. He has an ion deposition
Derix printer that he is trying to use with his Sun 3. The printer has a
Centronics interface and he is using a VPC 2200 controller board. At this
point, he thinks that the only thing that he is missing is a printcap
entry. Any help or advice or printcap entries would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
Kathryn R. Trainor
trainor@nosc.mil
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 87 14:23:08 HST
From: Bob Cunningham <bob@kahala.hig.hawaii.edu>
Subject: A "vi" icon
Useful something like this
shelltool -Wi -WI .vi.icon vi
where the file .vi.icon is thus:
/* an icon for vi Bob Cunningham (bob@loihi.hig.hawaii.edu) 10sep87 */
/* Format_version=1, Width=64, Height=64, Depth=1, Valid_bits_per_item=16
*/
0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0080,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0040,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0020,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0010,0x0003,0xC000,0x0300,0x0008,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0300,0x0004,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0012,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0021,0x0003,0xC783,0x8F00,0x0040,0x8003,
0xC301,0x0300,0x0000,0x4003,0xC182,0x0300,0x00E0,0x2003,
0xC182,0x0300,0x01F0,0x1003,0xC0C4,0x0300,0x01F0,0x0803,
0xC0C4,0x0300,0x03F8,0x0403,0xC068,0x0300,0x03F8,0x0203,
0xC068,0x0300,0x03F8,0x0103,0xC030,0x0300,0x03F8,0x0203,
0xC030,0x0FC0,0x01F0,0x0403,0xC000,0x0000,0x00F0,0x0803,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0060,0x1003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0020,0x2003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0010,0x4003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0008,0x8003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0005,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0002,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0004,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0008,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0010,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0020,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0040,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,0xC000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0003,
0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF
[[ Also available in the archives under the name "sun-icons/bc-vi.icon". ]]
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Date: 10 Sep 87 21:19 EST
From: blackje%sungod.tcpip@ge-crd.arpa
Subject: A news icon
Yes, it's Yet Another Icon!
This one was hastily hacked in when I wanted to leave a news (note no
upper case) window hanging around while I did some "real work".
(the "spots" are for quarters and dimes)
--Emmett
BlackJE@GE-CRD.ARPA
...!steinmetz!crd!blackje
/* an icon for rn 25 Aug 1987 J.E.Black */
/* Format_version=1, Width=64, Height=64, Depth=1, Valid_bits_per_item=16
*/
0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,
0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,
0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,
0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,
0x8000,0x0FFF,0xFFFF,0xFFF1,0x8000,0x1000,0x0000,0x0011,
0x8000,0x1000,0x0000,0x0021,0x8000,0x2000,0x0000,0x0021,
0x8000,0x2000,0x0000,0x0049,0x8000,0x4000,0x0000,0x0051,
0x8000,0x4000,0x0000,0x0091,0x8000,0x8000,0x0000,0x00A1,
0x8000,0x8477,0xF000,0x0129,0x8001,0x0C36,0x019C,0x0151,
0x8001,0x0C2C,0xF13E,0x0251,0x8002,0x0C28,0x6136,0x02A1,
0x8002,0x1458,0x6162,0x04A9,0x8004,0x34D0,0x6960,0x0551,
0x8004,0x249E,0x4960,0x0951,0x8008,0x25BE,0x4B78,0x0AA1,
0x8008,0x4520,0x5A3C,0x12A1,0x8010,0xC760,0x5A0C,0x1541,
0x8010,0x8640,0x6C0C,0x2541,0x8021,0x86C0,0xCD18,0x2A81,
0x8023,0x84FE,0xC9F0,0x4A81,0x8047,0xC4FF,0x9CE0,0x5501,
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0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,
0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,
0x8000,0x0000,0x0000,0x0001,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF,0xFFFF
[[ Also available in the archives under the name "sun-icons/jeb-news.icon". ]]
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