[comp.sys.sun] some random concerns

consult@osiris.UUCP (Unix Consultation Mailbox (Phil)) (12/22/88)

I've got a number of questions having to do with some features of my 3/50.
They primarily have to do with the keyboard and the mouse, so shouldn't be
too bad :-).

Let me say right up front that I'm mostly a novice on these things, having
only had one since June (and having had much less than full use of it up
until the end of last month, but that's another story).  The questions
I've got are probably easy, I just can't find anyone who knows the
answers.

Keyboard

#1: I find myself constantly having to retype or edit something I just
tried to enter because the keyboard seemed to gag all of a sudden,
emitting a very rapid succession of clicks and sending either nothing or a
few completely impossible (as in "located nowhere near where my fingers
were") characters.  I've heard some other local 3/50 users complain about
the same thing, but most of them haven't noticed it.  Is this a known
problem, or do we have broken keyboards?  If the former, is there anything
that can be done about it?

#2: Is there any way to disable the two caps lock keys (F1 and Caps)?  I'm
getting pretty tired of hitting them "accidentally" and only finding out I
did it when I completely trash a file I just spent half an hour editing.
Half the time I can't even manage to get caps *un*locked with either F1 or
Caps!!  I went so far as to remove the keycaps once, only to discover that
it can still happen (somehow), and that not having the keycaps on makes it
quite impossible to undo.  (How one of those keys could be pressed
accidentally when I couldn't even manage to press one deliberately is
confusing the hell out of me.  I can only assume that something else is
happening, but I have no clue what it could be.)

[[ F1 is strictly handled by the Shelltool (or cmdtool).  Hitting F1
causes the string "CAPS" (as I recall) to be added to the title bar.  The
CAPS key is handled by the console driver and can be disabled.  There are
a couple programs floating around that change your keymap so that CAPS
doesn't do anything.  --wnl ]]

Mouse

After all our Suns were upgraded to 4.0 just recently (that's another
story that I won't get into now), I noticed that my rootmenu was a lot
smaller.  Not only narrower, but all the items on it were shorter
(vertically speaking).  I didn't think this would be a problem, but half
the time I try to pick something out of the menu quickly, I wind up with
the adjacent (above or below) item instead.  This can be a real pain when
I'm trying to lock my screen so I can catch the last bus out to the
satellite parking facility and some mega-slow-starting program like
iconedit comes over the ethernet instead.  What I want to know is, am I
the only Sun user who thinks there's a problem here?  (I am at this site,
anyway.)  If not, what are the two of us (:-) going to do about it?  If
so, is there anything I can do about it myself (besides cutting down on my
caffeine intake, which is not an option)?

Phil Kos                                       uunet!pyrdc!osiris!phil

jepeway@rastaban.cs.utk.edu (Chris Jepeway) (01/04/89)

consult@osiris.UUCP (Unix Consultation Mailbox (Phil)) writes:
		[Re: Sun 3 keyboards]
>   ...the keyboard seemed to gag all of a sudden,
>   emitting a very rapid succession of clicks and sending either nothing or a
>   few completely impossible (as in "located nowhere near where my fingers
>   were") characters.

On 3/60's running 3.5, I've heard the keyboard emit keyclicks when I've
been wailing away on it.  I haven't seen it lose keystrokes, though the
damn keyboard on the Sun 4 running 4.0 *does* lose characters and beeps
most annoyingly when it cannot keep up with typeahead in
just-plain-console mode (I mean when it's not running a window system).

[[ I've had it lose a few keystrokes on me.  Not very often, tho.  --wnl ]]

>   Half the time I can't even manage to get caps *un*locked with either F1 or
>   Caps!!

When running X11R2/3 on a 3/60 running 3.5, the CAPS key gets stuck quite
frequently.  A disaster if you're editting and haven't saved modified
files when this happens.  I don't know what to do other than kill the X
that's running and start up another one.  Since you're running suntools, I
guess this is a problem with the keyboard/driver, instead of with X.  Has
anybody got a fix for it?  Or some way, at least, to force the caps lock
key to let go when it's stuck?

>   Phil Kos                                       uunet!pyrdc!osiris!phil

C. Jepeway
jepeway@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu

klapper@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Carl Klapper) (01/11/89)

jepeway@rastaban.cs.utk.edu (Chris Jepeway) writes:
> consult@osiris.UUCP (Unix Consultation Mailbox (Phil)) writes:
> >   Half the time I can't even manage to get caps *un*locked with either F1 or
> >   Caps!!
> When running X11R2/3 on a 3/60 running 3.5, the CAPS key gets stuck quite
> frequently...I don't know what to do other than kill the X that's running
> and start up another one...

Try pressing the shift keys simultaneously. It works here, though it
sometimes takes a few tries. 

	Carl Klapper
	Odyssey Research Associates, Inc.
	301A Harris B. Dates Drive
	Ithaca, NY  14850
	(607) 277-2020
	klapper%oravax.uucp@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu

rta@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Rick Ace) (01/12/89)

jepeway@rastaban.cs.utk.edu (Chris Jepeway) writes:
> consult@osiris.UUCP (Unix Consultation Mailbox (Phil)) writes:
> 		[Re: Sun 3 keyboards]
> >   ...the keyboard seemed to gag all of a sudden,
> >   emitting a very rapid succession of clicks and sending either nothing or a
> >   few completely impossible (as in "located nowhere near where my fingers
> >   were") characters.
> 
> On 3/60's running 3.5, I've heard the keyboard emit keyclicks when I've
> been wailing away on it.  I haven't seen it lose keystrokes, though the
> damn keyboard on the Sun 4 running 4.0 *does* lose characters and beeps
> most annoyingly when it cannot keep up with typeahead in
> just-plain-console mode (I mean when it's not running a window system).
> 

I have seen both problems.  The first is rather rare, and I have not yet
determined what circumstances cause it or how to reproduce it.

The second (losing characters and beeping annoyingly) is easy to
reproduce: you need SunOS 4.0 (I've seen it on both Sun-3 and Sun-4 gear).
Do not use a window system, like Chris said.  Just invoke csh and hit
Return enough to get the cursor to the bottom of the screen.  Then just
hit Return rapid-fire and listen for the music.  The problem appears to be
peculiar to csh, as I've not been able to reproduce it while using
/bin/sh, rlogin, etc.  I reported this to Sun in November and received a
reply in December acknowledging the existence of the problem (Sun Service
Order # 241216).  Nothing else yet.

Rick Ace
Pixar
3240 Kerner Blvd, San Rafael CA 94901
...!{sun,ucbvax}!pixar!rta