[comp.sys.sun] Backup stragety in a network environment, what tools exist?

jrg@apple.com (John R. Galloway) (04/26/89)

One of my current clients has a large network of Suns, diskless and
diskfull 3/50's, 3/60's, 386i's, NFS servers and of couse ND servers.
Their current policy is to shutdown the NFS servers for nightly backup.  I
find this somewhat annoying since then my diskless node is basically (if
not completely when the ND server, which is also an NFS server is down)
useless.  The rational seems to be that if not shutdown the backups are
indeterminate, if you want to restore you can't tell for sure what tape to
uses since a file (particularly one in an ND partition?) might or might
not have been backed up.  It seems like some sort of network
administrative tool is needed here to manage backups.  The situation is
even worse if you include managing the backup of diskFULL workstation in a
uniform way withOUT the need to bother the stations user (i.e. by the MIS
dept.).  What exists along these lines?  How do other large sites handle
these issues?

apple!jrg	John R. Galloway, Jr.       contract programmer, San Jose, Ca

These are my views, NOT Apple's, I am a GUEST here, not an employee!!

david@indetech.uucp (David Kuder) (05/11/89)

In article <28358@apple.Apple.COM> jrg@apple.com (John R. Galloway) writes:
	One of my current clients has a large network of Suns,
	diskless and diskfull 3/50's, 3/60's, 386i's, NFS servers and
	of couse ND servers.  Their current policy is to shutdown the
	NFS servers for nightly backup.  The rational seems to be that
	if not shutdown the backups are indeterminate, if you want to
	restore you can't tell for sure what tape to uses since a file
	(particularly one in an ND partition?) might or might not have
	been backed up.

There is a long running discussion about wether "dump(8)" can be run on
active disks reliably.  At the USENIX Large Systems Administration
conference large amounts of anecdotic evidence that running dump against
lightly used disks was fine.  The concensus was also that you pay your
money and take your chances.  The general compromise was to run daily
incremental dumps at times when little activity was expected and full
dumps against shutdown disks.

In article <28358@apple.Apple.COM> jrg@apple.com (John R. Galloway) continues:
	The situation is even worse if you include managing the backup
	of diskFULL workstation in a uniform way withOUT the need to
	bother the stations user (i.e. by the MIS dept.).  What exists
	along these lines?  How do other large sites handle these
	issues?

The Large Systems Admin. conference had several papers describing
different schemes.  The most common was to do disk to disk backups from
the workstations to the server and then do backups from there to removable
media (tapes or disk packs).  One site used a "networked tape ape" who ran
around from WS to WS sliding in cartridge tapes for the nightly cron dump.

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