[comp.sys.sun] Exabyte and se controller

eckert@faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Toerless Eckert) (06/08/90)

Some time ago i asked about a problem with our Sun 3/180 and it's Exabyte.
The machine had an Exabyte and a shoebox connected to its se0 SCSI
controller. When the Exabyte was active, for example rewinding or
searching for a file, the machine would often block.

The problem is, that the se VME-SCSI controller for Sun3 (and possible
also sold for Sun4) does not support the DISCONNECT/RECONNECT abilities of
the SCSI protocol. This caused the scsi driver in the Sun to allocate the
SCSI bus during all transactions, for example the rewinding or searching
for files, which do not need to hold the bus.  The next effect of this
was, that someone accessing the filesystem on the SCSI filesystem could
possible lock the whole filesystem in the kernel during these Exabyte
activites.

So, if you are using a VME Sun with both exabyte (or other slow tape
devices) and a SCSI disk, you are well advised to change your old se
Controller against the newer si controllers, which do support the
DISCONNECT/RECONNECT part of the SCSI protocol. We did this with our board
on maintenance so it didn't cost us a buck.

Toerless Eckert          | /C=de/A=dbp/P=uni-erlangen/OU=informatik/S=eckert
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kevin@corp.sun.com (Kevin Sheehan {Consulting Poster Child}) (06/14/90)

He is correct for the "sc" controller, also known as the SCSI2. We have
not shipped those since the *very* early sun3 line.  The "se" controller
is the Enet/SCSI board used on the sun3e product line which does *not*
have this problem.

The SCSI2 was built before SCSI controller chips existed, and for an MSI
based board it was too much to ask for ATN and the DISCO/RESEL stuff as
well, when it didn't exist in peripherals at the time either.

sc - SCSI2 - sun2 and early sun3 VME board
si - SCSI3 - sun3 VME and 3/50 3/60 SCSI
se - 6U SCSI/Enet board
sw - 4/110 SCSI
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>Some time ago i asked about a problem with our Sun 3/180 and it's Exabyte.
>The machine had an Exabyte and a shoebox connected to its se0 SCSI
>controller. When the Exabyte was active, for example rewinding or
>searching for a file, the machine would often block.

<more comments about disconnect and reselect not being there>

Kevin Sheehan
Sun Microsystems
kevin@sun.com