maul@asic.nsc.com (Robert Maul) (06/28/90)
I just got the new summer/fall catalogue of Sun classes. As usual they say you must know vi or use textedit to take their class. This is because they sell some version of emacs to customers who do not know about GNU Emacs and the fact that it is better and 100% cheaper. When I took a Sunview class there a few years ago I brought my own copy of emacs on a cartridge tape and installed it on the account they gave me. I suggest that everyone taking a class at Sun who wants to use emacs do the same. I copied my executable from our /usr/local/bin area and when I installed and ran it at sun, emacs could not find /usr/local/lib/emacs. So be sure to build emacs and install it on your own account using relative path name before you go to Sun. That's all I had to say. Please do not make any replies to me directly. rob maul@asic.nsc.com
rfinch@caldwr.water.ca.gov (Ralph Finch) (06/29/90)
In article <9409@brazos.Rice.edu> maul@asic.nsc.com (Robert Maul) writes: >When I took a Sunview class there a few years ago I brought my own copy of >emacs on a cartridge tape and installed it on the account they gave me. > >I suggest that everyone taking a class at Sun who wants to use emacs do >the same. This is a real gripe I have with Sun. We are all using GNU Emacs here because vi is terrible, and textedit is cute but useless for serious projects. Plus we have added a lot of pseudo-intelligent interfacing to various things such as RCS with elisp. Problem is, I may be the only user here who would know how to set up emacs on another machine. So if some of our users want to take classes (and they do) then either I have to go along to set up emacs or they have to learn another editor which is useless at work. I wish Sun would cut the marketing hype about how "open" they are and start listening to real customers. The Fortran 1.3 fiasco is a good example of how image comes before substance. Ralph Finch 916-445-0088 rfinch@water.ca.gov ...ucbvax!ucdavis!caldwr!rfinch Any opinions expressed are my own; they do not represent the DWR
mike_s@ebay.sun.com (Mike { Whats all this then? } Sullivan) (07/01/90)
In <9409@brazos.Rice.edu> maul@asic.nsc.com (Robert Maul) writes: >I just got the new summer/fall catalogue of Sun classes. As usual they >say you must know vi or use textedit to take their class. This is because >they sell some version of emacs to customers who do not know about GNU >Emacs and the fact that it is better and 100% cheaper. Let's not get into any religious wars here! :-) Anyway, Gnu Emacs 18.55 has been installed on our lab network in /usr/local for quite some time now (at least a year, but definitely not when you took the SunView class). This is the network used for the programming classes, I really doubt that you'd find it in the Sys-Admin classes (and definitely not in the Users or Productivity Skills classes). However, since we are upgrading to 4.1 this week, I don't know if it will be kept around. Also, since I don't handle the administration duties any more, I again don't know if it will stay. And, of course, I can only speak of Milpitas. What the other training centers install, I don't know. Mike Sullivan Internet: msullivan@Ebay.Sun.COM Sun Education UUCP: ..!sun!yavin!msullivan Software Course Developer Compuserve: 75365,764 "I'm six foot five, and I eat punks like you for breakfast!"