[net.news.group] Exposed secretion by Greg Woods

rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) (11/23/85)

>> Rich Rosen's articles have an extremely low signal-to-noise ratio.

>   They consist mainly of Rich stating his axiomatic beliefs as though
> they were proven facts, and following that with a logical argument based
> on those beliefs to prove that his opponent(s) are "wrong".
> 
> Not to mention arguments carried on by mail. I got involved with a discussion
> with Rich recently (it started from the "emotional responsibility" discussion
> in net.singles, if anyone remembers all the flames THAT caused) that rapidly
> degenerated into multi hundred line flames about how I was ignoring the
> "facts" (his beliefs) and how "wrong" I was for believing the way I do.

Since you have seen fit to use a supposedly non-flaming newsgroup like
net.news.group to tar other people, and since YOU yourself brought up this
mail exchange, perhaps you would not mind if it was explained how this
discussion (in which you posted multi-hundred line tomes yourself) actually
came to a close.

Greg:	"Anyone who doesn't see the choices they have is responsible for
		their current condition."
Rich: 	"How can you say this?  If you have not had the learning necessary
		to know about these other choices, how can you be held
		responsible?  And aren't there circumstances in which one
		has no control over events?"
Greg:	"No."
Rich	"No?  What about [EXAMPLES OFFERED]..."
Greg:   [FOUR ITERATIONS LATER] "All right, yes, but any of those people
		can lift themselves up and see the choices they have
		and simply get themselves out of whatever predicament they
		are in."
Rich:	"Anybody?  What about people with no education, with children to
		support, living in situations where there are no opportunities,
		needing education but unable to get it..."
Greg:	"It's just a matter of priorities.  They don't have to have kids.
		And if they do, it's just a matter of reprioritizing to get
		what you want.  Anyone can do it."
Rich:	"You know this from experience?"
Greg:	"Yes, I lived through such a period in my life where I had to
		get my education while working a low paying job. ... ...
		Of course, I did get money from my parents..."
Rich:	"WHAT?  You have the nerve to claim that your situation is reasonably
		compared to those of the people in situations I described?
		How dare you proclaim that they can do 'it' because you did
		'it', when in reality you didn't do 'it' at all?"
Greg:	[DEAD,    UTTER,    COMPLETE    SILENCE... ... ... ... ... ... ...]

It seems when you say to others "I think you are seeing what YOU want to
see and not what is really happening," as you said in a recent article, you
somehow feel this doesn't apply to you.  Please take any further discussion
to private mail, there is no need to clog net.news.group with this.

>   Do I REALLY get to vote on this? This is too good to be true! :-) 

Enjoy yourself, Greg.  You have shown off your arrogance and manipulativeness
very well.  What WAS the purpose of your describing (what YOU wanted to see
in) our mail correspondence?  Enlightening other readers of net.news.group
about problems with the net?  Providing useful information on how the
net can be "saved"?  Or swinging a personal axe?  You and Thau will go far
together.
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"iY AHORA, INFORMACION INTERESANTE ACERCA DE... LA LLAMA!"
	Rich Rosen    ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr