gfb@wsc-sun.boeing.com (Gareth Beale) (08/02/90)
|> SPARCstation 1+ and unlike SLC). Initially, the only monitor available is |> a 16-inch color monitor. The CPU box has 2 SBUS slots and has room for a Is anybody else frustrated at the disappearance of the 19" monitors from the lower end of the Sun product line? We started with a bunch of 3/50's a few years ago, and added some 3/80's later. The general consensus in our shop is that the 17" monitors are a little on the small side to run two windows side by side unless you use a very small font. We delayed an order for some SLC's because our Sun salesperson told us support for the 19" monitor was to be announced in July. This has taken the form of a vague reference to supporting the 19" monitor on the new IPC, at twice the price of the SLC. Why is Sun focusing on such small monitors for their product line? Are all you Sun customers content with them? I personally like a larger monitor for a windowed environment. Gareth Beale (206)865-5375 # Mail Stop 7A-35 # e-mail: Boeing Computer Services # gfb@wsc-sun.boeing.com P.O. Box 24346 # or: Seattle, Wa. 98124-0346 # gfb%wsc-sun@atc.boeing.com
bob@morningstar.com (Bob Sutterfield) (08/02/90)
In article <1990Aug2.002735.17098@rice.edu> gfb@wsc-sun.boeing.com (Gareth Beale) writes:
Why is Sun focusing on such small monitors for their product line?
Are all you Sun customers content with them? I personally like a
larger monitor for a windowed environment.
Remember the fuss a couple of years ago when the HM (hi-res monochrome)
slid into the foggy darkness? This sounds like the same sort of thing.
The low end of the market is very, very price sensitive, but is where they
ship the biggest volume. The demand for nicer displays is such a small
segment of their market that there's not much encouragement to keep
supporting them. People are snapping up 4/20s by the truckload, and the
price is keeping them from complaining about the screen size. Remember, a
lot of users are moving up from PeeCees with (typically) even smaller,
lower-resolution screens. A 17" 1152x900 screen seems fine to them.
The absolutely most wonderful workstation I ever encountered was a
two-headed 4/260C, with 8-bit color on the right-hand screen and HM on the
left-hand screen. Take your pick for each window: color or very sharp
text, whichever is best for a particular application.svb@cs.purdue.edu (Stephan Bechtolsheim) (08/03/90)
I think anything less than 19" screens it too small. I also wished, HIGHER resolutions than the ordinary 1024 * 800 (or whatever the precise values are) would become standard. Stephan v. Bechtolsheim Computer Sciences Department svb@cs.purdue.edu Computer Science Building (317) 494 7802 Purdue University FAX: (317) 494 0739 West Lafayette, IN 47907
fbresz@uunet.uu.net (08/03/90)
We have a few 19" color monitors around for the reasons you mentioned.
Also we bought them when Sun considered them a standard?
Also we have 19" Mono for our Word Processing FRAME users. They REALLY
need it.
On a 17" MONO, I find that by choosing my FONT carefully I can get 2 34x80
windows side by side without overlapping, this is essential. It has the
added feature that noone will use my terminal because they can't read it.
We have one 19" high-res resolution 1600 x 1280 monitor. This thing is
great, albeit expensive.
:-)
If you listen carefully to SUNs hype you will find the following phrase a
lot. Sun wants to own the desktop. In fact I have a hat from them that
says this. Clearly the desktop cannot support such a bulky monitor I mean
where would all of those middle managers put their coffee cups.
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+--------------------+ +-----------------------------------+roy@phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) (08/04/90)
I guess I'm in the very small minority, but I happen to think that 19"
monitors are too big! I havn't tried a 17 incher yet, but I have a
feeling I will like it. The 19" on just takes up too much room on my desk
and weighs too much to move easily.
Roy Smith, Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu -OR- {att,cmcl2,rutgers,hombre}!phri!royji@columbia.edu () (08/06/90)
In article <1990Aug5.165936.12385@rice.edu> roy@phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) writes: > >I guess I'm in the very small minority, but I happen to think that 19" >monitors are too big! I havn't tried a 17 incher yet, but I have a >feeling I will like it. The 19" on just takes up too much room on my desk >and weighs too much to move easily. True. I have a Sony Trinitron 19'' monitor on my desk (connected to an HP9000, not a Sun!), and the thing weighs a ton! It's huge, much deeper than the Sun color monitor, but the display quality is much much better, and I wouldn't change it for anything (well, maybe a 1280x1024 RS/6000 19'' monitor, which is also a Sony tube!). The thing I've always hated about the Sun 19'' color monitors was the picture quality. The 17'' monitors have the obvious advantage that they are Sony Trinitrons, so you can actually use a smaller font and still have visible characters. BTW, does anyone know why Sun doesn't offer Sony 19'' monitors? In-Real-Life: John "Heldenprogrammer" Ioannidis E-Mail-To: ji@cs.columbia.edu V-Mail-To: +1 212 854 5510 P-Mail-To: 450 Computer Science \n Columbia University \n New York, NY 10027
ji@cs.columbia.edu (08/07/90)
In article <1990Aug7.003326.1808@rice.edu> I write: > > BTW, >does anyone know why Sun doesn't offer Sony 19'' monitors? As it turns out, Sun *does* offer the Sony 19'' monitor as an option, but, of course, it's more expensive. IMHO, it's worth every penny. My apologies (esp. to Sun!) for the misinformation, In-Real-Life: John "Heldenprogrammer" Ioannidis E-Mail-To: ji@cs.columbia.edu V-Mail-To: +1 212 854 5510 P-Mail-To: 450 Computer Science \n Columbia University \n New York, NY 10027
ghfeil@white.toronto.edu (Georg Feil) (08/08/90)
This may be obvious, but if your 17-inch monitor seems small, make sure the picture size is adjusted properly so that the black borders are not too wide. I was alarmed at how small the 17 seemed after using a 19, but things were better after I twiddled the controls at the back to enlarge the picture. You'll get more distortion at the edges, but this may be worth it.
botticel@olympus.crd.ge.com (David J. Botticello) (08/09/90)
In article <1990Aug9.022212.6981@rice.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu writes: > >As it turns out, Sun *does* offer the Sony 19'' monitor as an option, but, >of course, it's more expensive. IMHO, it's worth every penny. Just a minor correction. (costing MAJOR bucks!) Sun will only sell the Sony 19" monitor as an option if you buy the 24bit color board. Or buy the monitor seperately from parts. (Around 6K) So, you then have to buy the system without a monitor and add the sony 19" plus the appropriate graphics card, or buy a regular 19" system and throw away the standard 19" when you buy the Sony. Another vendor provides only the Sony color monitors on their workstations. Maybe Sun will wise up when the competition starts winning sales based on quality of monitors. I know it will sway my decisions. Dave Botticello - GE CRD - phone(voice) 518-387-6065 Home 518-393-8671 E-mail - botticel@orion.crd.ge.com or uunet!crd.ge!orion!botticel or botticello@crd.ge.com or botticel%orion@crd.ge.UUCP land - 1 River Road KWB-1606 Schenectady, N.Y. 12301
cheeks@uunet.uu.net (Mark Costlow) (08/14/90)
In article <1990Aug13.010122.4198@rice.edu> you write: |> In article <1990Aug9.022212.6981@rice.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu writes: |> > |> >As it turns out, Sun *does* offer the Sony 19'' monitor as an option, but, |> >of course, it's more expensive. IMHO, it's worth every penny. |> |> Just a minor correction. (costing MAJOR bucks!) |> |> Sun will only sell the Sony 19" monitor as an option if you buy the 24bit |> color board. I think this is incorrect. We've bought several 4/330-GX machines with 19" Trinitrons. I'm pretty sure we didn't pay any extra for them (although I do remember specifying that we wanted them). Those Hitachi's were really gross. cheeks@edsr.eds.com or ...uunet!edsr!cheeks