[net.unix-wizards] Wanted: Xerox Star-VAX Communication

mario@utcsstat.UUCP (07/06/83)

A group at the University of Toronto has proposed using a Xerox Star
in combination with a VAX/Unix system for an upcoming project.
Communications between the two systems will be vital.  The Star supports
Ethernet as part of the XNS (Xerox Network Standard (?)) but it does not
appear that it will be possible to write applications programs for the
Star.  Does anyone have experience with uucp-XNS communications or
uucp using Ethernet?  Is there a better way to make these machines
talk to each other?
Please reply by mail to ...!decvax!utzoo!utcsstat!mario.
Thanks in advance,
Mario Ruggiero
University of Toronto Computing Services
Toronto, Ontario, Canada

hdj@burdvax.UUCP (07/08/83)

I'm told that, barring further "political unrest," Xerox will be releasing
XNS software for the Vax (under Unix) within a few months.  Or you could buy
the Star configured as a Dandelion (Xerox 1108?) Lisp machine (running
Interlisp-D) and be running under 3- or 10-mb Pup protocols, as I am doing
right now (although I'm using a Dolphin).  Pup isn't "state-of-the-art"
anymore, but it works fine!  And Interlisp-D is a very fine environment to
work in.

		Herb Jellinek, burdvax!hdj

guyton%rand-unix@sri-unix.UUCP (07/11/83)

The odds are not very good for Ethernet communication with the
Star, as Xerox has not released the specs for any of their
higher-level protocols.  The published XNS protocols go only up
to remote-procedure calls (Courier).  Mail, printing, file
transfer, are all still secret.

There is a chance that simple file transfers could be done with
the Star's foreign device software, but I have a feeling that
this isn't what you had in mind.

Needless to say, I think Xerox is being pretty dumb to not have
announced these protocols.  It is one key factor in why we've not
purchased Stars here.

You might ask them about the Mesa system though.  They have been
trying to come out with a workstation product that would allow
you to write your own applications in the Mesa language.

-- Jim Guyton