mark@cbosgd.UUCP (06/06/83)
Actually, a better (and more obvious) name for such a newsgroup would be "net.unix". But I think the issue should be addressed of who would read it. It seems like all the neophytes are currently posting to/reading from net.unix-wizards. Do they move? What about the people on the ARPANET side of the gateway? Mark
govern@houxf.UUCP (06/07/83)
The problem with separating "neophyte-wizards" from "real-wizards" is that the real wizards will presumably not read "neophyte-wizards", and neophytes with unanswered questions will therefore ask them on net.real-wizards. There is a real need for an on-line consulting service, and unix-wizards has so far contributed to this function. If I have a problem I can't answer, I'm not likely to submit it to "net.people-just-as-dumb-as-myself", although I do tend to ask USG-related questions on btl.unix and Berkeley questions on unix-wizards. Bill Stewart, houxf!hoscf!bill
ptw@vaxine.UUCP (P. Tucker Withington) (06/07/83)
My original thought was that unix-neophytes would give wizards a place to wax eloquent on their expertise and neophytes a place to commiserate over their buffoonery. Presumably, neophytes *could* help each other, as they are bound to eventually figure things out, although not in the same order or time. It appears now that the unix neophyte does not exist (at least the original who was the cause of all this brouhaha is not). If it is not useful to separate the two levels of discussion, I withdraw my suggestion. --Tucker (ptw@vaxine.UUCP)
heh%berkeley@csuf.UUCP (06/08/83)
I don't think the idea was to keep the neophytes from reading UNIX-WIZARDS. That might be a good idea (I certainly don't want the whole world to know about the Latest UUCP Security Hole), but other than setting up some sort of `authenticated' mailing list (mail in a photocopy of your UNIX license or some such) I can't see how it would be done. On the other hand, some of the people here get irate if a newcomer starts asking questions that 2 minutes of looking through the Unix Programmer's Manual would answer. To keep the volume of `uninteresting' mail for such people to a minimum, I think a Unix-Apprentices setup is a great idea. I like `INFO-UNIX' as a name, too. And I'd even read it and perhaps answer it, if I came upon an otherwise uninteresting moment in time. -Ed Hall ucbvax!trw-unix!csuf!heh
scw%ucla-locus@cepu.UUCP (07/19/83)
From: Steve Woods <cepu!scw@ucla-locus>
RE: From: ucivax!csuf!heh@berkeley
Message-Id: <8307182307.AA29093@UCBVAX.ARPA>
I don't think the idea was to keep the neophytes from reading UNIX-WIZARDS.
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On the other hand, some of the people here get irate if a newcomer
starts asking questions that 2 minutes of looking through the Unix
Programmer's Manual would answer.
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-Ed Hall
ucbvax!trw-unix!csuf!heh
The problem is that it takes about 6-12 months of normal usage to learn
where to find every thing that you need to know in the Unix Prog Man (You
must admit that it is not the best organized manual in the world). Also
even when it is found it may not be clear (or even correct), or it may
not even be there.jbray%bbn-unix@sri-unix.UUCP (07/19/83)
From: James Bray <jbray@bbn-unix> Yes, it would be nice to divert elementary questions and other (in my opinion, of course) inappropriate submissions onto other lists. The problem is that info-unix seems not to have caught on: I was told that I am on that list, and unless I have been accidentally deleted, it is Very Quiet... I have seen only a handful of messages on it. If this is the case, then it would seem that submissions will not voluntarily divert themselves from unix-wizards. Perhaps editing the list is the only way this could be achieved. --Jim
jbray%bbn-unix@sri-unix.UUCP (07/20/83)
From: James Bray <jbray@bbn-unix> Yes, it would be nice to divert elementary questions and other (in my opinion, of course) inappropriate submissions onto other lists. The problem is that info-unix seems not to have caught on: I was told that I am on that list, and unless I have been accidentally deleted, it is Very Quiet... I have seen only a handful of messages on it. If this is the case, then it would seem that submissions will not voluntarily divert themselves from unix-wizards. Perhaps editing the list is the only way this could be achieved. --Jim