[comp.dcom.telecom] Toll charges and call forwarding

clark@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Roger Clark Swann) (12/06/88)

I know we have talked about call forwarding stuff here in the past,
but I don't remember that the following case ever came up:

	Station A, in area ONE, makes call to station B in area TWO.
	(This is a normal toll call for station A)
	However, station B is set to forward to station C back in area
	ONE, where station C is in the normal free calling zone of
	station A.

	How will this call be charged?
		1> as a local call
		2> as an toll call for the around trip A -> B -> C
		3> other...

The ideal case would be choice 1, but the all the required hooks are
probably not three and won't be there until IDSN becomes common. The
other thing that almost forces choice 2, is that different carriers
may be used for each leg of the connection. (i.e. the A->B leg might
be ATT and the  B->C leg might be MCI)  There might even be some
non-technical tariff requirements forcing the call to be charged a
certain way...

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ben@tis.llnl.gov (ben ullrich) (12/12/88)

In article <telecom-v08i0195m03@vector.UUCP> you write:
>X-TELECOM-Digest: volume 8, issue 195, message 3
>	Station A, in area ONE, makes call to station B in area TWO.
>	(This is a normal toll call for station A)
>	However, station B is set to forward to station C back in area
>	ONE, where station C is in the normal free calling zone of
>	station A.
>
>	How will this call be charged?
>		1> as a local call
>		2> as an toll call for the around trip A -> B -> C
>		3> other...

3. the call will be toll for the caller from A -> B , and B will get
a forwarding charge for carrying the call back to ONE (C).The idea is all calls
forwarded from B to C are toll, regardless of where they originate. if B
chooses to forward calls to a number that is a toll call for him/her, s/he
also chooses to pay for such calls. the original caller (A) only gets charged
for the number s/he originally called, not for where the call finally
terminates (why should A have to pay for B's long-distance forwarding
convenience ?)

>The ideal case would be choice 1, but the all the required hooks are
>probably not three and won't be there until IDSN becomes common. The
					     ^^^^ ('ISDN' i bet)
>other thing that almost forces choice 2, is that different carriers
>may be used for each leg of the connection. (i.e. the A->B leg might
>be ATT and the  B->C leg might be MCI)  There might even be some
>non-technical tariff requirements forcing the call to be charged a
>certain way...

Yes, and that's what i described. as it is now, the call physically makes the
round trip, for A's CO won't know where B's CO will be sending the call when it
gets to B. and even if it did, wouldn't A in all fairness have to be charged
for the query to B's CO to find out that the forwarding makes the call
terminate in ONE (the same area as A & C ) ?

It may well be that there will be no change in how the call was charged (your
original question) vs. how it is routed (which may change when the network gets
smarter).

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>    /  ___ \    /  ___ \    /  /  /   \      /  /  /  _____/
>   /  /__/ /   /  /  / /   /  /  /  /\ \    /  /  /  / ____
>  /  ___  \   /  /  / /   /  /  /  /  \ \  /  /  /  / /_  /
> /  /__/  /  /  /__/ /   /  /  /  /    \ \/  /  /  /___/ /
>/________/   \______/   /__/  /__/      \___/   \_______/
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ron@ron.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie) (12/13/88)

(The original question was)

	Station A, in area ONE, makes call to station B in area TWO.
	(This is a normal toll call for station A)
	However, station B is set to forward to station C back in area
	ONE, where station C is in the normal free calling zone of
	station A.

	How will this call be charged?
		1> as a local call
		2> as an toll call for the around trip A -> B -> C
		3> other...

Neither 1 or 2.  A pays for a toll call from A -> B and then B gets billed
for the forwarded call from B -> C.

-Ron