[comp.dcom.telecom] RJ21X and regulations

OLE@csli.stanford.edu (Ole J. Jacobsen) (05/18/89)

Pacific Bell has quite a different idea about what an RJ21X should
look like.  As the person responsible for our company's phone system,
I was recently served with a "Violation Notice" and given two weeks to
wire our lines to the 66 block VIA the amphenol connector. The
straight "them on one side --- us on the other" with bridging clips in
between is NOT ALLOWED here.  I was told that if I did not correct the
problem, service would be terminated. If you receive service by means
of an RJ21X, the phone company wants to have the ability to disconnect
all of your lines with one simple yank of the amphenol plug, wonderful.


More recently I ordered yet another line (for a credit card
verification frob), and the installer wanted to put up a standard
network interface box (like the ones they use outside new residences)
rather than put the line next to the existing ones. (The RX21X is
inside a phone closet in the building). The reason is apparently that
you are not supposed to have lines with different "class of service"
on the same 66 block. When I explained that we already had a mixture
of stuff on the 66 block; 12 CO lines in hunt, 2 fax lines, and 2
modem lines, he agreed to punch the new line down with the rest,
mumbling about how the PUC makes them do all these silly things.

The guy that goes around snooping in everyone's phone closet to look
for this kind of stuff must have a fun job.....maybe I should apply :-)

Ole

trebor@uunet.uu.net (Robert J Woodhead) (05/19/89)

In article <telecom-v09i0168m08@vector.dallas.tx.us> OLE@csli.stanford.edu
(Ole J. Jacobsen) writes:
>The straight "them on one side --- us on the other" with bridging clips in
>between is NOT ALLOWED here.

Ah yes, the bridging clips.  Here in Ithaca, the phone company installers
do "them on the left and you on the right", and twice in the last 6 months
one of those clips has popped out or shifted just enough to screw up a
connection.  Plus, would you believe it, for 4 phone lines on an internal
phone system plus a modem and fax line, I have a total of 4 of these boxes
of various sizes, plus 2 boxes of an older vintage; some installed by the
phone company, some by the phone system company.

One of these days I'm going to have to spend an afternoon and trace all the
damn wires and figure it all out.  I mean, at the current rate, if I get
another modem line I'll run out of wall space in my utility closet!

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john@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (John Higdon) (05/20/89)

In article <telecom-v09i0168m08@vector.dallas.tx.us>, OLE@csli.stanford.edu
(Ole J. Jacobsen) writes:
> Pacific Bell has quite a different idea about what an RJ21X should
> look like.  As the person responsible for our company's phone system,

It's not Pacific Bell, it's whoever comes out to do the work. There are
two types of installers: those that want to get the job done and those
that like to play like little Nazis. I have been involved with phone
systems ranging from 2 line key systems to multi-site PBXs and there
are as many interpretations concerning what the rules say as there are
installers in the field.

> I was recently served with a "Violation Notice" and given two weeks to
> wire our lines to the 66 block VIA the amphenol connector. The
> straight "them on one side --- us on the other" with bridging clips in
> between is NOT ALLOWED here.  I was told that if I did not correct the
> problem, service would be terminated. If you receive service by means
> of an RJ21X, the phone company wants to have the ability to disconnect
> all of your lines with one simple yank of the amphenol plug, wonderful.

If any repair person pulled the amphenol off any of my RJs in the
process of testing one line, he would be looking for a new job--I
guarantee it.


> inside a phone closet in the building). The reason is apparently that
> you are not supposed to have lines with different "class of service"
> on the same 66 block. When I explained that we already had a mixture

On one RJ21X block in Pac*Bell land I have the following:

8	Ground Start PBX incoming trunks
4	Ground Start PBX outgoing trunks
3	Sprint Pro-Wats Lines
1	Pac*Bell Metro 800 Line
1	Ground Start DISA access Line
2	Loop Start Modem Lines
1	PBX outgoing OPX

No one, but no one has ever given me the slightest comment about this.
If anyone ever does, he will be given certain directions concerning
impossible anatomical acts he can perform on himself.
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