[comp.dcom.telecom] Understanding ISDN: More Seminars Planned

telecom@eecs.nwu.edu (TELECOM Moderator) (07/21/89)

A while back in the Digest, I printed a schedule of seminars on the subject
of 'Understanding ISDN' (Integrated Services Digital Network). These
seminars are sponsored by Telecommunications Research Associates of
St. Marys, Kansas.

I have recently been notified that some additional seminars have been planned.
For specifics on the course itself, and the topics covered, see the earlier
mention in the Digest. Below are the additional cities where programs will
be given, and the dates:

Minneapolis, MN  August 17-18     Minneapolis Hyatt Regency
Washington, DC   August 24-25     Park Hyatt Washington DC
Detroit, MI      August 28-29     Westin Detroit
Dallas, TX       September 7-8    Dallas Parkway Hilton
Birmingham, AL   September 12-13  Wynfrey Riverchase Hotel
San Fransisco CA September 14-15  Four Seasons Clift Hotel
Denver, CO       September 26-27  Stouffer Denver Concourse Hotel
Oklahoma City OK September 28-29  The Waterford Hotel


These seminars cover all aspects of ISDN rather thoroughly, and are led
by telecom professionals all of whom seem to have come from Bell Labs
at one time or another.

The registration fee is $950 ($1250 Canadian), and this includes breakfast
and luncheon both days along with coffee breaks; all course materials
including workbook, etc.

See previous mentions in the Digest for details of each session. For more
information or to register, call or write:

Telecommunications Research Associates
Post Office Box A
St. Marys, KS   66536
Phone: 1-800-872-4736  or 1-913-437-2000

And thanks again to our subscriber in the Land of Ahs for sending along
the latest notice!

Notices of telecommunications related seminars, exhibitions and meetings
open to the public should be sent to TELECOM Digest, Post Office Box 1570,
Chicago, IL 60690 to be included in a future issue of the Digest.

Patrick Townson

stanwyc@mtfmi.att.com (D. Stanwyck) (07/25/89)

In article <telecom-v09i0249m03@vector.dallas.tx.us>, telecom@eecs.nwu.edu
(TELECOM Moderator) says:
> A while back in the Digest, I printed a schedule of seminars on the subject
> of 'Understanding ISDN' (Integrated Services Digital Network). These
> seminars are sponsored by Telecommunications Research Associates of
> St. Marys, Kansas.
>
> I have recently been notified that some additional seminars have been
> planned.

<<followed by a complete commercial announcement>>

I, for one, strongly object to this forum, especially as a moderated
forum, becoming a place for commercial announcements.  Hardly a day
goes by that I don't receive yet another advertisement for an ISDN
seminar someplace.  Many of these seminars are given by people who
have no real knowledge of ISDN or the philosophies of ISDN.

I therefore beseech thee, sir moderator, to immediately and henceforth
remove all commercial messages from your postings.  It is a serious
disservice to the Usenet community, which has in every group tried to keep
the net commerical free, for you to decide to start posting commercials.

Thank you.

--
Don Stanwyck		        o  o			201-957-6693
AT&T-Bell Labs		  	 || 			mtfmi!stanwyc
Middletown, NJ  USA		\__/			Education Center

[Sir Moderator's Note: You raise a good point regards commercialization
of news groups. I began posting announcements of seminars, conferences
and exhibitions related to telecommunications after a couple of notes
appeared in the Digest specifically asking for information on educational
programs in telecom. One criteria I use for the postings is whether or
not some actual educational achievement will result, for example, by the
issuance of CEU's. I recently received some interesting and worthwhile
material from George Washington University regarding a series of seminars
being offered this fall in telecom-related stuff, only a portion of which
is ISDN. I don't think the fact that you have to pay money is relevant.

I also review the background of the persons involved in the instruction
being offered. It amused me to read your comment that 'many of these seminars
are given by people with no real knowledge of the subject...', since the
seminars about which you voiced your complaint are all being conducted by
persons who are presently or previously employed by Bell Labs!

I'll grant you there are bogus 'seminars', and there is commercialization
of the networks which carry TELECOM Digest, but I do not sell telephone
gimmicks; I do not hawk for long distance companies; nor do I sell tickets
or get fees for advertising seminars conducted by Bell Labs people. The
seminars are announced as a point of information for readers of the Digest
and the related comp.dcom.telecom group of Usenet. I even give the same
courtesy to the AT&T Education Center from time to time. If you would like
to see more news about *your* organization, then send announcements to me
for posting. I'll even type them in!  Question to readers: Do you, or do
you not enjoy/wish to read seminar/exhibition/conference announcements? Tell
me, I'll summarize later. PT]