[comp.dcom.telecom] Is Europe Going to Get 8 Digit Numbers?

dan@sics.se (Dan Sahlin) (07/25/89)

Within a couple of years all telephone numbers in the outer Stockholm
areas will go from 5-digit to 8-digit numbers.  They will all be
integrated into the Stockholm area code (08) where the other numbers are 6
or 7 digits.  There are about 1.5 inhabitants in this area (and about the
same number of telephones), so a wisely designed number plan using just 7
digits should be possible.

For some reason, I find it much harder to remember an 8-digit number
than a 7 digit number, so I don't like those plans at all.

I've read that Paris and Denmark have already changed into 8 digit numbers,
and that Norway is planning to do the same.

Are there more countries going to get 8 digit numbers in the near
future?

	/Dan Sahlin             email: dan@sics.se

PS. Isn't it about time that the world would agree on the international
access code, i.e. the code that you replace the +-sign with in your
international telephone number? In Sweden (and Denmark) we dial 009,
but many in many countries in Europe it is the more logical 00.

henry@garp.mit.edu (Henry Mensch) (07/26/89)

>PS. Isn't it about time that the world would agree on the international
>access code, i.e. the code that you replace the +-sign with in your
>international telephone number? In Sweden (and Denmark) we dial 009,
>but many in many countries in Europe it is the more logical 00.

Why is 00 more logical than 009 (or 011 in Canada and the US), or 0011
(in Australia)?

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euatdt@euas11g.ericsson.se (Torsten Dahlkvist) (07/27/89)

In article <telecom-v09i0256m02@vector.dallas.tx.us> henry@garp.mit.edu writes:
>Why is 00 more logical than 009 (or 011 in Canada and the US), or 0011
>(in Australia)?

Because in most countries (outside Northern America), all area codes begin
with a 0, indicating the start of "national" dialling. Another 0 would
(logically) imply an even larger numbering plan - "international". Simlpe?
If/when we get interplanetary dialling the logical prefix would be 000.
I shudder to think what four zeroes would mean...

/Torsten

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[Moderator's Note: I don't think too many countries have our penchant here
in the USA for pulling zero to get the operator either. Right/wrong??  PT]

euatdt@euas11g.ericsson.se (Torsten Dahlkvist) (07/31/89)

>[Moderator's Note: I don't think too many countries have our penchant here
>in the USA for pulling zero to get the operator either. Right/wrong??  PT]


Quite right. As far as I know, the zero-prefix for non-local dialling is by
far the most common one. That means that dialling a single zero and waiting
will just get you a "non-complete" error, whichever way the local admin
handles that. The number in Sweden to get operator service is "000" for
domestic calls. (We'll have to give that up when we get phones on other
planets :-)

There may be some connection between the numbers chosen for certain common
services (like "operator" or "non-local dialling" and the actual design of
the old rotary-switch dial of ancient days. See my next posting for more on
that subject!

/Torsten

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kiravuo@kampi.hut.fi (Timo Kiravuo) (07/31/89)

In article <telecom-v09i0253m03@vector.dallas.tx.us> dan@sics.se (Dan Sahlin)
writes:

>Are there more countries going to get 8 digit numbers in the near
>future?

Not Finland, at least, we still have varying lengths all over the
country. My home number is 676 076 and work number 451 4328, even
though they both are in the same (local) company. In some other
places you can have numbers of only four digits. This is partly
because we still have many private phone co-operatives.

>PS. Isn't it about time that the world would agree on the international
>access code, i.e. the code that you replace the +-sign with in your
>international telephone number? In Sweden (and Denmark) we dial 009,
>but many in many countries in Europe it is the more logical 00.

Good idea. In Finland it is 990 to get out. Would you care to
swap that 9 for one 0, would be easier for us both. :-)

A trivia bit. In many companies with local switches you have to
dial 0 to get out. In Finland at least. But on a pulse system the
0 is the longest number, so that a 1 would make more sense, to
save time. The story goes that this comes from the Italy, where
the inpatient Italians would start to hit the phone hook and
accidentally get a 0, when they could not get an line out right
away.

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dave@uunet.uu.net (Dave Horsfall) (08/07/89)

In article <telecom-v09i0260m07@vector.dallas.tx.us>,
    Torsten Dahlkvist <euatdt@euas11g.ericsson.se> writes:
|
| If/when we get interplanetary dialling the logical prefix would be 000.

I hope not - that's the emergency number here in Oz!

Why did America choose 911 anyway?  Australia is 000, Great Britain
is 999.  What other codes are there?

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albert%endor@husc6.harvard.edu (David Albert) (08/08/89)

}Why did America choose 911 anyway?  Australia is 000, Great Britain
}is 999.  What other codes are there?

In Israel, 100 is police, 101 is fire, 102 is ambulance.

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