[comp.dcom.telecom] Unusual Problem With Party-Line Ringing

msa@rwing.uucp (Mark Anacker) (09/02/89)

Hi out there in telecom land...

I have a situation here, and I was wondering if anyone out there in this group
has any advice.  Some friends live in a rural (*really rural*)  area of
the state (WA).  Their phone service is party line, with 3 or 4  others on
the line.  Instead of the old system of "1 long, 2 short" rings or whatever,
the telco sends the rings signal at different frequencies for each party.  Thus
my friends' ring is 50Hz, instead of the usual 20Hz.  They then had to buy
a small box that goes inline with their incoming line and beeps when a
ring signal of the appropriate frequency comes along.    A side effect of this
is that the ring signal is not passed through the box at all, making it
kind of hard to hook up an answering machine or modem (or anything).  Also,
since the only audible indicator is in the filter box, you can't hear the
phone ring outside that room.

What I had in mind was to modify one of these filter boxes so that instead
of beeping on a 50Hz ring, it would close a relay and bridge the house
side of the line onto the incoming side.  This would then allow the ring
signal to get to the rest of the house.  We've verified that their phones
and stuff will recognize a 50Hz ring (also all other rings)., so they
should work.  I'd like to know if anybody out there has done anything
like this already.  I know this look like a sci.electronics posting,
but it's really telcomm specific.  Besides, Patrick seems to know
everything about the system anyway :-)

Sorry for the length.    Thanks for any help.

bobf@uunet.uu.net (BFrankston) (09/03/89)

Modem on a party line?  Check the laws.  I think it is illegal to have a modem
on a party line since the other parties must be allowed to break in for
emergency calls.


Full name: Bob Frankston

john@zygot.ati.com (John Higdon) (09/04/89)

In article <telecom-v09i0343m02@vector.dallas.tx.us>, msa@rwing.uucp (Mark
Anacker) writes:
> I have a situation here, and I was wondering if anyone out there in this
> group has any advice.  Some friends live in a rural (*really rural*)  area of
> the state (WA).  Their phone service is party line, with 3 or 4  others on
> the line.  Instead of the old system of "1 long, 2 short" rings or whatever,
> the telco sends the rings signal at different frequencies for each party.
> Thus my friends' ring is 50Hz, instead of the usual 20Hz.  They then had to
> buy a small box that goes inline with their incoming line and beeps when a
> ring signal of the appropriate frequency comes along.   A side effect of this
> is that the ring signal is not passed through the box at all, making it
> kind of hard to hook up an answering machine or modem (or anything).

Most of your IC cookbooks have filter circuits that would be suitable
for bandpassing the fifty hertz ring signal that you could then use to
drive a simple detector circuit. But, there is a major caveat here. It
is not legal for you to do this. With all of the hoopla about CPE and
divestature, and "doing your own thing", some people were left out in
the cold.

FCC registration ONLY applies to equipment to be installed on non-coin,
one-party lines. For obvious reasons, party lines are exempt from all
of the deregulation. For instance, even though your proposal would
prevent the answering machine from picking up your party line
neighbor's calls, on most party lines this would not be the case. I
know of no answering maching that can be taught to pick up "one long
and two short". The other problem would occur when you had some type of
automatic dialer that would not know if the line was already in use (or
be able to relinquish it in case of an emergency.)

And remember, failure of your CPE not only puts your service out of
order, but all those on the party line as well. (This is the main
reason for the regulation.)

Being a hacker myself, I know that a simple matter like regulations
isn't going to stop your scientific endeavors, but you should be
extremely careful about what you put on that party line. If someone
dies because help couldn't be summoned due to some gadget of yours, you
might find yourself in deep doo-doo.
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smb@hector.att.com (09/04/89)

What you propose is almost certainly against FCC regs.  The general
rule these days that you can hook any legal phone up yourself does
not apply to party lines.