[comp.dcom.telecom] ISDN-Modem Interworking Question

hingston@apple.com (Joe Hingston) (02/24/90)

What is going to be the common (and/or correct) way to interwork ISDN
terminals with services that are modem based?  I am thinking of
personal computers with ISDN as a built in feature, or with an ISDN
add-in card.

I can think of a couple of obvious ways, but do not know which will be
used, or indeed if some totally different means will be used.

1) The ISDN terminal will have a standard modem sitting behind a
codec.  As far as the network and the service provider are concerned
ISDN does not need to exist.

2) The ISDN terminal will use some form of rate adaptation, similar to
V.110.  But then who converts the rate adapted bit stream to modem
tones? The phone company?  A third party?

3) Almost the same as 2), but instead of bit rate adaptation data is
sent as HDLC frames.  This raises the same questions as to who
converts the frames to tones.

Are the RBOCs allowed to do the rate adaption, or does it fall into
the category of protocol conversion?  Will there be pools of Rate
Adaptors, similar to the modem pools that currently exist?

I hope these questions make sense, if not please feel free to suggest
new questions.


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Joe Hingston (hingston@apple.com)

gnu@toad.com (John Gilmore) (03/01/90)

hingston@apple.com (Joe Hingston) wrote:

> 1) The ISDN terminal will have a standard modem sitting behind a
> codec.  As far as the network and the service provider are concerned
> ISDN does not need to exist.

Even better -- the ISDN terminal can have a SOFTWARE modem implementation 
and a SOFTWARE codec.  Why add hardware just to talk to old equipment?
Certainly a low speed (<= 2400 baud) modem should be doable on today's
CPUs.  If you have a DSP, the whole ball of wax up through Telebits is
no problem.

Actually the ISDN end will be aware that ISDN exists.  But it will
dial into a 'voice' line on the other end that happens to have an old
style modem attached to it, in the same way that an ISDN voicemail
system might call a voice phone to forward a call to you.  The other
end will just think it's talking to a standard modem.

No phone company politics, 'rate adaptation', etc needed.

Of course, anyone with the right computers could offer such a service
to the public -- e.g. you phone me with ISDN protocols, I phone
somebody else with old-modem protocols and relay the data.  It could
even be done in its spare time by your IBM PC on a single phone line
(since a single ISDN line has two 64kbit data channels that work
independently).