[net.unix-wizards] Cheap sources for educational institutions

gwyn%brl-vld@sri-unix.UUCP (10/24/83)

From:      Doug Gwyn (VLD/VMB) <gwyn@brl-vld>

Companies who market packaged systems are not generally eager to have
their systems mucked about with, since then they can no longer
economically support the result.  Worse, such alterations may spread
to other owners of the package, with no audit trail to help the OEM
track the results of such changes.  Most such companies make source
available at a price high enough to ensure that only those who have
a legitimate need will acquire it.  This is all straightforward
economics, perfectly understandable from the point of view of the
support organization.

You seem to think that educational institutions rate special favors
in what they pay for computer systems and software.  Although some
vendors may offer good deals for their own ulterior motives, there
is no reason I can see to treat schools differently from any other
business in this regard.  Most of the lab equipment, etc., I used as
a grad student was bought at list price or obtained secondhand, and
none of the equipment users thought that that was unfair.

If you think you have something to offer the package vendor in
return for access to sources, make them an offer.  I have known
people who have obtained equipment and software in return for
feeding back specified enhancements to the supplier.

If you acquired a system without checking whether you would get
all that you needed for the application you had in mind, then you
deserve the consequences and should not blame others for your
mistake.

FIGMO%kestrel@sri-unix.UUCP (11/01/83)

From:  Lynn Gold <FIGMO@kestrel>

The reason that educational systems have this tendency to get better
prices on state-of-the-art equipment is that companies hope that their
student users will become hooked on their equipment, so when said students
go on to work in the field, they'll think of the computers at ol' alma
mater and want/request/demand the same thing.  This is one way that computer
manufacturers make money.

--Lynn
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ron%brl-vgr@sri-unix.UUCP (11/01/83)

From:      Ron Natalie <ron@brl-vgr>

The major reason that many manufacturers discount (or give away)
computers to educational institutions is so that a wide number of
the newly trained people have had experiece with those systems.
This used to be a big play done by IBM.

-Ron

edhall%rand-unix@sri-unix.UUCP (11/01/83)

Discounting (especially donating) equipment to academic institutions
also has certain tax incentives for the company involved.

But as someone who used to work at such an institution, I realize
just how helpful `academic discounts' are in helping stretch
already tight budgets.  And having a donation from a local vendor,
or a company with a high-placed alumnus, or even from a company
who likes all the exposure it gives them, is even more helpful.

Assuming, of course, that the equipment is useful.

I like to think that at least a few companies are far-sighted
enough to realize that helping a university is helping to produce
better future employees, and not just marketing exposure.

		-Ed Hall
		Rand Corporation, Santa Monica, CA
		edhall@rand-unix
		decvax!randvax!edhall