[comp.dcom.telecom] What is Toll Saver?

pushp@cerf.net (Pushpendra Mohta) (09/04/90)

#Moderator's Note: "Toll Saver" is a way of saving money on calls to
#answering machines by having the machine not pick up until after
#several rings if there are no messages received. If a message is on
#the tape, then the answering machine picks up immediatly, on the first
#or second ring, as you have it set. If there are no messages, then the
#owner calling in knows to hang up after about the third ring so no
#charge will be made to call an answering machine which has nothing to
#say.  Its a little more involved than that, but that is the idea.  PAT]

Be prepared to be mislead if you call immediately after someone called
and left a message.  On most (non-digital) answering machines, You
will continue to hear rings till the machine resets itself.


pushpendra
CERFnet

[Moderator's Note: This of course depends on your call arriving within
seconds of the last call; not impossible, but not terribly likely
unless you have a very busy line. And one guideline would be if you
called and got a busy signal, then called a minute later and got a
ring, let it ring until it does reset.  PAT]

john@bovine.ati.com (John Higdon) (09/05/90)

Pushpendra Mohta <pushp@cerf.net> writes:

> Be prepared to be mislead if you call immediately after someone called
> and left a message.  On most (non-digital) answering machines, You
> will continue to hear rings till the machine resets itself.

Ah, what a sheltered life I've led. The two mechanical answering
machines that I have owned that had "toll saver" (or as someone once
put it, "cheap realtor") didn't have that problem, and for different
reasons.

The first was an ancient Coda-a-Phone model 333. This unit did not
come with this mode, but one day I got a great idea. The machine had a
light on it that would come on if the incoming message tape was "off
home", indicating visually that you had messages. There was also an
internal resistor that one could change to set the number of rings
that would be ignored before the unit answered. Why not put a little
relay in the unit that would bridge another resistor in the circuit if
the "off home light" was lit, causing the machine to answer on the
first, rather than fourth ring?

It worked perfectly. And this was long before I had ever heard (1975)
of "toll saver". The machine also had the advantage of being able to
"reset" immediately. As soon as it hung up, it was ready for the next
call.

The other machine was a Panasonic two-line (I forget the model
number).  After each call, it would churn and whirr and clunk, but the
entire time this was going on the line was kept off hook.


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ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Ted Powell) (09/05/90)

}[Moderator's Note: This of course depends on your call arriving within
}seconds of the last call; not impossible, but not terribly likely
}unless you have a very busy line. And one guideline would be if you
}called and got a busy signal, then called a minute later and got a
}ring, let it ring until it does reset.  PAT]

Better yet, hang up and try again in a couple of minutes. With my
machine at least, if the caller hangs up before the beep, this doesn't
count as a message. That is, assuming no other messages on the tape,
it will answer after four rings rather than two. Getting a busy signal
only means that someone was on the line, not that they had anything to
say.


ted@eslvcr.wimsey.bc.ca   ...!ubc-cs!van-bc!eslvcr!ted    (Ted Powell)