mdb@abcom.att.com (5013) (10/19/90)
A while back I saw a thread that descibed how I could turn off call waiting while I am using my modem. What I would like to know, if the person I am calling has call waiting also, can I turn his feature off also? Thanks in advance, Mike [Moderator's Note: No you cannot. It is up to the person who owns the line to decide what features he wants on or off. If he doesn't understand that modems and call-waiting are incompatible, that is his problem. PAT]
vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley) (10/22/90)
In article <13848@accuvax.nwu.edu> mdb@abcom.att.com (5013) writes: >A while back I saw a thread that descibed how I could turn off call >waiting while I am using my modem. What I would like to know, if the >person I am calling has call waiting also, can I turn his feature off >also? You as the caller couldn't and shouldn't be able too. But that gives rise to the question: can you turn call waiting off on an existing call? I just tried it: I flashed and dialed *70 got the three beeps and was cut through to the existing call. So if you had some control over what happened when you called the other number you could have them initiate blocking. Of course you would also have to solve the loss of carrier problem. vance
sjr@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us (Sander J. Rabinowitz) (10/22/90)
5013 <mdb@abcom.att.com> (Mike) wrote: >What I would like to know, if the person I am calling has call waiting >also, can I turn his feature off also? The Moderator's Reply: >No you cannot. It is up to the person who owns the line to decide what >features he wants on or off. An admittedly unlikely scenerio is one where the person you're talking to has Call Waiting and Conference Calling simultaneously. In that case, you can ask the other party to tap the switchhook and dial *70 or 1170. If the other party hears dial tone again, then he/she would tap the switchhook once more to return to you. This disables Call Waiting in the middle of the conversation. But, as the Moderator states, only the person you're talking to can do this. Sander J. Rabinowitz | 0003829147@mcimail.com | +1 313 478 6358 Farmington Hills, Mich. | --OR-- sjr@mcimail.com | 8-) [Moderator's Note: And really, isn't it sort of rude to ask the person on the other end to suspend their telephone features just so you can talk without possible interupption? If they wanted it that way, they would do it that way. PAT]
ruck@reef.cis.ufl.edu (John Ruckstuhl) (10/23/90)
> What I would like to know, if the person I am calling has call waiting > also, can I turn his feature off also? Some respondents discuss how a call-recipient can disable their call-waiting. I observe that this is valuable when one is using a call-back security system for remote computer access via telephone. John R Ruckstuhl, Jr University of Florida ruck@cis.ufl.edu, uflorida!ruck
tnixon@uunet.uu.net (Toby Nixon) (10/24/90)
In article <13889@accuvax.nwu.edu>, vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley) writes: > You as the caller couldn't and shouldn't be able too. But that gives > rise to the question: can you turn call waiting off on an existing > call? > I just tried it: I flashed and dialed *70 got the three beeps and was > cut through to the existing call. So if you had some control over It is a fairly well-known and well-documented feature that if you have BOTH Three-Way Calling and Call-Waiting that you can disable Call Waiting by doing a hook-flash, *70. Several people (e.g., those who run a BBS part-time on their voice line) have ask me over the years how they can selectively disable call waiting on INCOMING calls. It's pretty easy. You need Three-Way Calling, and take advantage of the feature mentioned above. Rather than having the modem auto-answer (S0 > 0), you need to have computer-controlled answering (look for RING messages). AND, rather than answering with the "ATA" command, you answer with a dial string that looks like this: "ATH1DT,!,*70,;A"; you might need another "!" before the ";" to make it work on your switch. The "H1" takes you off-hook, so that the "D" command doesn't wait for dial tone or the normal two-second delay. It works faster if you set your "Pause Time for Comma" to 1 second instead of 2. Just a bit of interesting trivia. Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-449-8791 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 USA | Internet hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net
vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley) (10/27/90)
In article <14002@accuvax.nwu.edu> hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net (Toby Nixon) writes: >It is a fairly well-known and well-documented feature that if you have >BOTH Three-Way Calling and Call-Waiting that you can disable Call >Waiting by doing a hook-flash, *70. I do not have three-way calling. The only option I have is call-waiting. *70 works for me! Vance [Moderator's Note: Assuming *70 is implemented in your CO, it will always work as the first digits dialed on a call you originate. The trick is being able to decide to turn it on the middle of a conversation, or during a conversation you did not originate. You *cannot* turn it on in mid-conversation or on calls you receive unless you have three way calling, or some other valid reason for flashing the hook. (I don't know of any except to add another call). Instead of adding the call, however, you can then dial *70 and be immediatly returned to the call in progress, but with your call waiting suspended for the duration. PAT]
vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley) (10/28/90)
In article <14082@accuvax.nwu.edu> the Moderator comments: >[Moderator's Note: Assuming *70 is implemented in your CO, it will >always work as the first digits dialed on a call you originate. The >trick is being able to decide to turn it on the middle of a >conversation, or during a conversation you did not originate. You >*cannot* turn it on in mid-conversation or on calls you receive unless >you have three way calling, or some other valid reason for flashing >the hook. (I don't know of any except to add another call). Instead of >adding the call, however, you can then dial *70 and be immediatly >returned to the call in progress, but with your call waiting suspended >for the duration. PAT] I recieve dialtone from a DMS in Bell Canada land. (519)741-XXXX. I subscribe to call-waiting and nothing else. I can flash and receive recall dial tone during any call. If I flash on an incoming call and dial *70 I am cut through to the existing call. Call waiting is disabled for the remaining duration of the call. Vance Shipley vances@ltg [Moderator's Note: Well, yours is the only instance I've heard of where one can flash and get dial tone without having three way calling installed. I think its great that they extend dial tone after flashing when the only apparent need (in your case) is to dial *70. I'm curious to know what happens if you try anything else with the interim dial tone you are given. Ever tried another call, for example? What happens then? PAT]
gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier) (10/28/90)
Throughout this thread on disabling call-waiting on incoming calls it has been stated that you need three-way calling to flash over to another dialtone. On my main voice line I have call-waiting, but not three-way calling. I am still able to flash over and hear the triple dialtone sound followed by a consistant dialtone. From there I can, I can type *70, get a quick set of beeps and then be reconnected to my party. CW is then disabled (I just tried all this as I typed it). I have a data line without call-waiting as well, and I much prefer dialing out on it than my call-waiting equipped line. I find it annoying when trying to terminate calls on the CW-equipped line. I have a tendancy to lift the plunger too quickly causing the phone to think I'm trying to flash. It takes a concious effort to sit there with the plunger down for two or three seconds to be sure it's registering as a hang-up before I can dial out again. I frequently end calls with "ok, I'll call so-and-so and get back to you." and find it annoying when trying to quickly dial out after completing another call. All this information applies to Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, BTW. PG gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca tyrant@dalac.bitnet [Moderator's Note: What you say is all well and good, but *why* would a telco extend new dial tone by flashing the hook when there is no place to go with it? Surely not just for suspending call-waiting ... or is it just for that reason? What happens when you attempt to dial an actual number against that flashed-in dial tone rather than just dialing *70? Does your new call go through or get denied? PAT]
russ@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Russ Kepler) (10/30/90)
On a similar vein of the call waiting I had an experience that might interest some of the readers (the rest can skip it...) One of my Usenet news feeds became stuck while its owner was out of town. No cause could be found until he got back in town and listened to the call. The modem was on his phone line and the dialer disabled call waiting prior to the call. When the local telco removed call waiting his mode began getting an intercept and a 'your call cannot be...' message. Strange - why couldn't they just ignore it? Seems to me that would be a better solution than the intercept (better yet to return to dial tone.) Russ Kepler - Basis Int'l SNAIL: 5901 Jefferson NE, Albuquerque, NM 87109 UUCP: bbx.basis.com!russ PHONE: 505-345-5232
gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier) (10/30/90)
In article <14145@accuvax.nwu.edu> gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca (Paul Gauthier) writes: >[Moderator's Note: What you say is all well and good, but *why* would >a telco extend new dial tone by flashing the hook when there is no >place to go with it? Surely not just for suspending call-waiting ... >or is it just for that reason? What happens when you attempt to dial >an actual number against that flashed-in dial tone rather than just >dialing *70? Does your new call go through or get denied? PAT] When you attempt to dial you get a rapid busy signal type tone. Thus, the call is denied. Something else that's interesting is that if I pick up the phone right now and receive a *real* dialtone I can do a flash and obtain a secondary dialtone exactly like the one described before. This secondary dialtone is discernable from a regular dialtone because when it begins you hear a 'triple dialtone' kind of like someone flicking the sound on and off three times quickly; then comes a normal sounding dialtone. Trying to dial on this secondary dialtone, even if it is obtained straight from a normal dialtone via flash, gets you the same rapid busy signal. Also of interest is the fact that once you commence dialing a number on your normal dialtone until you are connected (actually have someone answer the other end) a flash terminates that call, and does not simply offer you a secondary dialtone. No matter how you obtain one of those secondary dialtones (whether from a regular dialtone or in mid-call) another flash will return you to where you came from (the regular dialtone or the other call). "*70", as mentioned before disables call waiting in mid call and puts you back through to your party. Hope someone finds this trivia interesting. I assume that as well as performing call-waiting disabling from this secondary dialtone you can initiate a 3-way call, or work with any of the other special features offered (like call-forwarding) if you've paid for them (I haven't, so I don't know much about them). gauthier@ug.cs.dal.ca tyrant@dalac
john@bovine.ati.com (John Higdon) (10/31/90)
On Oct 29 at 23:21, TELECOM Moderator writes: > [Moderator's Note: What you say is all well and good, but *why* would > a telco extend new dial tone by flashing the hook when there is no > place to go with it? Surely not just for suspending call-waiting ... > or is it just for that reason? What happens when you attempt to dial > an actual number against that flashed-in dial tone rather than just > dialing *70? Does your new call go through or get denied? PAT] If it had been Pac*Bell, it could have been something like this: (From the Pac*Bell Slameroo Dept.) A friend of mine who writes for a crackpot audio magazine moved a few years back from Sunnyvale to Mountain View. We were talking and he got call-waited. When he returned, he commented, "This is so confusing. Call Waiting works differently here in Mt. View than it did in Sunnyvale. It's much more complicated." Bzzzt! What??? I inquired further. "In Sunnyvale, when I got a call-wait, I simply flashed the hook and got the second call. Now, I have to flash, get dial tone, then dial '*9'." "What other features do you have?", I asked. "None." So then I told him the bad news. He had been "upsold" into Commstar (mini-Centrex). He didn't even realize that he had three-way calling, which is intregal to Commstar. I told him that he was paying about 8 dollars too much and told him what to say to the rep. If you flash during the call with Commstar (without being call-waited) you will get second dial tone which can call the world. BTW, the "Commstar Slam" was accomplished by implying to the customer "that's the way it works now". The customer was led to believe that Commstar was prerequisite to custom calling. John Higdon | P. O. Box 7648 | +1 408 723 1395 john@bovine.ati.com | San Jose, CA 95150 | M o o !
vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley) (10/31/90)
In article <14094@accuvax.nwu.edu> the Moderator comments: >[Moderator's Note: Well, yours is the only instance I've heard of >where one can flash and get dial tone without having three way calling >installed. I think its great that they extend dial tone after flashing >when the only apparent need (in your case) is to dial *70. I'm curious >to know what happens if you try anything else with the interim dial >tone you are given. Ever tried another call, for example? What >happens then? PAT] It seems that they did provide recall dialtone only to block call-waiting. If I try to transfer I receive re-order tone, if I try to use any of the other DMS codes I receive re-order. If I flash an existing call and hang up it does not ring me back. (#$!?) :) vance
csowden@compulink.co.uk (Chris Sowden) (11/02/90)
In the UK it is possible to recall dial tone on any line connected to a digital exchange (which I think the majority now are). The secondary dial tone you get is identical to the primary dial tone. In the following, "R" means Recall or flash. If you only pay for a basic service, I think you can only request charge advice for the call in progress (R*40#). If you pay for call waiting, you can turn call waiting on (R*43#) or off (R#43#), drop the current call and answer a waiting call (R1), switch between calls (R2) or reject a waiting call and turn call waiting off (R0). If you pay for three way calling, you can additionally set up a second call (R number), set up a conference with two existing calls (R3), disconnect the first party (R5) or disconnect the second party (R7). To use the extra facilities, you need a tone phone. If you recall dial tone on a pulse phone and try dialling a number, you get dumped straight back to the call you left. Being able to recall dial tone does mean you get one useful feature which works regardless of the type of phone, extras paid for or which end originated the call. If you recall dial tone and then put the phone on hook, the exchange rings straight back (with single bursts of ringing rather than the usual UK double bursts). You can then move to another extension to continue the call. Chris Sowden
vances@xenitec.on.ca (Vance Shipley) (11/03/90)
In article <14239@accuvax.nwu.edu> csowden@compulink.co.uk (Chris Sowden) writes: >Being able to recall dial tone does mean you get one useful feature >which works regardless of the type of phone, extras paid for or which >end originated the call. If you recall dial tone and then put the >phone on hook, the exchange rings straight back (with single bursts of >ringing rather than the usual UK double bursts). You can then move to >another extension to continue the call. This is what I wish we could do. Unfortunately if I try this the original call is dropped, my phone never rings back. If I have accepted a call waiting and then hang up the original call rings back though. Vance Shipley [Moderator's Note: And the way yours works seems to be the norm, which is why I was surprised by the folks who said they can flash and get dial tone even with they have nothing to use it for except to suspend call waiting. PAT]
bote@uunet.uu.net (John Boteler) (11/22/90)
I have found that a great way to disable Call Waiting remotely is to
call the business office and cancel it!
That's the *best* anybody could ever do to that most obnoxious of
features!
John Boteler bote@csense {uunet | ka3ovk}!media!csense!bote
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