phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller) (12/06/90)
In TELECOM Digest Toby Nixon <hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net> writes about the credit card boing: > I can't quote all the specs to you (and can't look them up, because > I'm in a hotel room in Florida rather than in my office), but I CAN > tell you where to find the info: Hey Toby, when is Hayes going to introduce an AT command to "wait for boing" -- it sure would make it easier to write scripts for signing onto my computer system from hotel rooms around the country (including Florida :-) J. Philip Miller, Professor, Division of Biostatistics, Box 8067 Washington University Medical School, St. Louis MO 63110 phil@wubios.WUstl.edu - Internet (314) 362-3617 uunet!wuarchive!wubios!phil - UUCP (314)362-2693(FAX) C90562JM@WUVMD - bitnet
trebor@uunet.uu.net (Robert J Woodhead) (12/10/90)
phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller) writes: >Hey Toby, when is Hayes going to introduce an AT command to "wait for >boing" -- it sure would make it easier to write scripts for signing >onto my computer system from hotel rooms around the country (including >Florida :-) I have the same problem from time to time, but find that 5 or 6 commas between the phone number and credit card number do the trick. For any particular hotel PBX and carrier, the time between the last touchtone of the called number and the "boing" is quite consistant, and you have a window of about 10 seconds before it gets sent to the human operator. So: ATDT 1XXXYYYZZZZ,,,,,,AAABBBCCCDDDDEEEE works fine. The trick is to start with, say, four commas, and listen. If the modem blurts out the card number before the boing, add commas until the timing is right. You shouldn't be charged for the failed attempts anyway. BTW, this reminds me to give kudos to Motel 6. Free local calls, and all long-distance via calling card with no surcharges. All that and a good room cheap? What more can any travelling telecommunicator ask for? Robert J Woodhead, Biar Games, Inc. !uunet!biar!trebor trebor@biar.UUCP |
tnixon@uunet.uu.net (Toby Nixon) (12/10/90)
In article <15287@accuvax.nwu.edu>, phil@wubios.wustl.edu (J. Philip Miller) writes: > Hey Toby, when is Hayes going to introduce an AT command to "wait for > boing" -- it sure would make it easier to write scripts for signing > onto my computer system from hotel rooms around the country (including > Florida :-) Company policy forbids me to comment on unannounced features. However, in my role as chairman of TIA TR-30.4 (the USA standards committee on DTE-DCE Protocols), I will say that the current draft of SP-2120 (the US national AT command set, still under development) includes a proposal for a "$" dial modifier, defined as "Wait for Credit Card Prompt Tone". I wouldn't be at all surprised if one or more modem manufacturers took this cue and included such a feature in their modems. In the meantime, I've found that the "@" dial modifier (Wait for Quiet Answer) often works well, particularly with AT&T (if you can get into a hotel that actually lets you use AT&T without speaking to a voice operator -- an increasingly rare occurrence these days, it seems! [I'm now in New Jersey for ANOTHER meeting, and in my second hotel in two weeks that has a god-awful AOS with 10288 blocked]). "@" will usually trigger on the boing, but the key to it working is if the operator stays off the line for the five seconds it takes for "@" to time out. Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-449-8791 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 USA | Internet hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net
RAF@cu.nih.gov (Roger Fajman) (12/12/90)
As long as we are asking for new modem commands, how about one to restore the saved settings without resetting the modem? The problem with the Z command is that it cannot be followed by other command letters. Thus it is not possible to say things like "restore saved settings and dial xxx-xxxx." ATZ also requires a delay before further AT commands may be issued.
DEVEREJS%RTP@dupont.com (John S. DeVere) (12/12/90)
Re: Modem wait for Boing, Toby Nixon <hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net> writes: > I will say that the current draft of SP-2120 [...] > includes a proposal for a "$" dial modifier, defined as "Wait for > Credit Card Prompt Tone". I wouldn't be at all surprised if one or > more modem manufacturers took this cue and included such a feature in > their modems. Good idea, except maybe another character would be more compatible ... US Robotics uses the $ for help screens on all (as far as I know) its modems ... other "Made-in-Taiwan" modems use this symbol as well. John DeVere - Research Triangle Park, NC <@relay.cs.net.deverejs%RTP@DUPONT.COM> <jsdevere@EOS.NCSU.EDU>
tnixon@uunet.uu.net (Toby Nixon) (12/17/90)
In article <15386@accuvax.nwu.edu>, DEVEREJS%RTP@dupont.com (John S. DeVere) writes: > Re: Modem wait for Boing, Toby Nixon <hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net> > writes: >> I will say that the current draft of SP-2120 [...] >> includes a proposal for a "$" dial modifier, defined as "Wait for >> Credit Card Prompt Tone". I wouldn't be at all surprised if one or >> more modem manufacturers took this cue and included such a feature in >> their modems. > Good idea, except maybe another character would be more compatible ... > US Robotics uses the $ for help screens on all (as far as I know) its > modems ... other "Made-in-Taiwan" modems use this symbol as well. USR has been an active participant in the drafting of this proposed standard since Day One, and has not objected. Why? Because there is a clear differentiation between command characters and dial-string modifiers. It's no problem to use the same character to mean two different things, because the context is different. There's already several characters that are "re-used": CHAR Command Dial-String A Answer DTMF "A" tone B Select Modulation DTMF "B" tone C Carrier Control DTMF "C" tone D Dial DTMF "D" tone S Select Register Dial Stored Number W Extended Results Wait for Dial Tone Of course, some things mean the same in BOTH contexts, such as T, P, and comma; and some dial-modifiers causes ERROR results if used as commands, such as "@", "!", "*", "#", digits, etc. (but this depends on the manufacturer of the modem). Toby Nixon, Principal Engineer | Voice +1-404-449-8791 Telex 151243420 Hayes Microcomputer Products Inc. | Fax +1-404-447-0178 CIS 70271,404 P.O. Box 105203 | UUCP uunet!hayes!tnixon AT&T !tnixon Atlanta, Georgia 30348 USA | Internet hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net