[comp.dcom.telecom] USA to UK Telco Link

kbc@uts.amdahl.com (Kevin Carney) (01/14/91)

To anybody who can help,

I am posting this question on behalf of my uncle.

My uncle lives near San Luis Obispo, California and has a Macintosh
Plus with the Hayes compatable modem sold by Apple.

His brother lives in Belfast, Northern Ireland and has an Atari ST
with a modem of an unknown type.

They would like to be able to transfer files between their two
computers (apparently there is a "Mac" board that fits in the Atari
and allows Mac software to be run).

This linkup isn't working. It doesn't matter from which direction the
connection is initiated, the symptom is the same. The machine which is
supposed to answer the phone does indeed answer the phone, but the
machine initiating the call never sees carrier detect.

I have heard that American modems and European modems operate by a
different set of rules, but i've never had any personal experience
attempting a telco link from the USA to Europe.

Is this true? Could the problem be that that neither modem will ever
see carrier detect since the other one will never respond in the
required way? If so, does there exist anything like an "international"
modem which can operate according to both sets of rules?


Kevin Carney   Amdahl Corporation    kbc@amdahl.com    (408) 746-7439

linc@tongue1.berkeley.edu (Linc Madison) (01/17/91)

Seems to me the easiest method to assure compatibility is to get an
inexpensive 2400-bps modem.  My Supra Modem 2400 (available mail order
for about $120) can also accept commands in the "AT" format to use the
European standards for lower baud rates.

 From the reference card,

ATB (or ATB0) selects CCITT V.22bis mode at 1200 baud
ATB1          selects Bell 212A mode at 1200 baud

That means that you may not even need to change modems!  Try just
changing your dialing string from ATDT011... to ATBDT011....

Just for completeness,
AT&P (or AT&P0) selects US/Canada "make/break" ratio for pulse
AT&P1           selects UK/etc. "make/break" ratio

Be sure to reinitialize any settings you change on your international
calls when you make a domestic call, of course!


Linc Madison  =  linc@tongue1.berkeley.edu

Disclaimer: I have no connection to Supra, except being a VERY happy
customer.  These commands are presented as part of the "standard" AT
command set, but are not guaranteed to work on other "AT" modems.

johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) (01/22/91)

In article <16095@accuvax.nwu.edu> lars@spectrum.cmc.com (Lars
Poulsen) writes:

>>I have heard that American modems and European modems operate by a
>>different set of rules, ...   Is this true?

>Yes. 

Well, sort of.  As noted, 2400bps and higher are the same everywhere
except for the various proprietary 9600bps versions that proliferated
before V.32 became cheap enough to be popular.  For 1200bps modems,
the U.S. "Bell 212" and international CCITT schemes are pretty close
except for differences in the initial handshake.  Hayes modems and
most clones have a B command that make the modem switch from the
default 212 mode to the CCITT mode.


Regards,

John Levine, johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {spdcc|ima|world}!iecc!johnl