[comp.dcom.telecom] NorTel Gets US Military Order

eastick@me.utoronto.ca (Doug Eastick) (01/23/91)

>Whitley, commander of the 37th Tactical Fighter Wing, told the media
>Friday that the first air strike against Iraq was a 2,000-pound bomb
>dropped squarely onto the "AT&T building" in downtown Baghdad.

>     Not so, says the telecommunications giant.  "We don't even have a
>building in Baghdad," spokesman James Van Orden said.  {Dallas Times-
>Herald}, D1, 1/20.

I heard (on the CBC, I think) that it was a "PTT" building.  I can't
remember what the letters stood for, though.

I also heard (thru the Northern Telecom grapevine) that one of the NT
US switching divisions received an order from the US Military for a
portable switch to fit into a transport trailer, ready to deliver by
this Friday (Jan 25th).  The switch should handle as many lines a
possible.  Plan is to ship it to middle east to "replace damaged
telecom lines".

Dunno if it is a DMS or SuperNode but my guess is it will be brown in
color.

 
[Moderator's Note: PTT frequently means "Post, Telephone, Telegraph"
since in many countries the government agency which operates the post
office also manages the telephone system.   PAT]

barefoot@hobbes.ncsu.edu (Heath Roberts) (01/24/91)

In article <16336@accuvax.nwu.edu> eastick@me.utoronto.ca (Doug
Eastick) writes:

>I also heard (thru the Northern Telecom grapevine) that one of the NT
>US switching divisions received an order from the US Military for a
>portable switch to fit into a transport trailer, ready to deliver by
>this Friday (Jan 25th).  The switch should handle as many lines a
>possible.  Plan is to ship it to middle east to "replace damaged
>telecom lines".

>Dunno if it is a DMS or SuperNode but my guess is it will be brown in
>color.

Probably a containerized DMS-10, which is actually brown and green. NT
keeps several at its RTP facility ready to ship in case of a service
affecting emergency somewhere. One of these will handle about 10,000
lines in the standard package (not a full-sized trailer) which can be
air-dropped.

There is also a containerized version of the DMS-100, that is four
full-size trailers, and can handle about 50,000 lines. This one's a
little more expensive and not designed to be airlifted. But if we can
ship an Abrams tank, why not?

If your Supernode front end dies but peripherials are still OK, NT can
ship you one in four man-portable boxes on any airline. They snap
together and have fiber cables between the modules.

The Supernode actually is a DMS-100, just with a different front end.
The older version DMS-100 uses a proprietary processor called the
NT-40, the Supernode uses either a Motorola 68020 (most common), a
68030 (in the field) or an 88000 (still in the works) as its main CPU.
The peripherial modules are the same, and all the software runs on
either verison. The Supernode can handle more messages per time than
the NT-40, and the NT-40 is gradually being phased out. Within a year
or two, new versions of software (called BCS for batch change
supplement) won't run on the NT-40. Northern doesn't require you to
buy new versions when they are released, so there will be some NT-40's
around for quite a while -- Northern Telecom will provide pack repairs
for twenty years from the date it's officially discontinued.

There's a newer switch, the S/DMS-100, which is designed to have the
horsepower for higher speed direct digital communications. Its market
niche is for telcos that want to implement FiberWorld, which is a
really cool concept in telecommunciations. NT has some marketing
videos that are pretty interesting. I'll find out if they're available
to the public and let everyone know ... I think you can borrow them
for a couple of weeks without charge, but there is a deposit.


Heath Roberts  
NCSU Computer and Technologies Theme Program
barefoot@catt.ncsu.edu

steve@caticsuf.csufresno.edu (Steve Mitchell) (01/25/91)

eastick@me.utoronto.ca (Doug Eastick) wrote:

>>Whitley, commander of the 37th Tactical Fighter Wing, told the media
>>Friday that the first air strike against Iraq was a 2,000-pound bomb
>>dropped squarely onto the "AT&T building" in downtown Baghdad.

> I heard (on the CBC, I think) that it was a "PTT" building.  I can't
> remember what the letters stood for, though.

According to a report on National Public Radio's morning news program
"Morning Edition" (1/23), the building being shown bombed by a F-117A
Stealth Fighter/Bomber was the Baghdad "Public Telephone & Telegraph"
building.  This building, according to telecom professionals in Saudi
Arabia, should have been staffed by 10 to 20 civilian technicians and
operators at the time of the attack (pre-dawn/early morning). 

Because of the F-117's stealth capabilities, it is not believed that
the occupants of the building would have heard or seen any signs of
warning until the 2,000 bound bomb struck the building.  They did not
mention whether military personnel would have been staffing the
building in part.  However, they did report that the Iraqi's most
valuable lines of military communication and switching would have been
located under the building and immune to the effects of the attack
which, apparently, was meant to decapitate it's top two of twelve
stories in order to render the microwave equipment on the roof useless.

Professional Comment:

Unquestionably, civilian telecom equipment can be a valuable military
asset to any country.  The fact that redundant military communications
systems were, undoubtably, in place and are possibly still operational
does not make civilian telecom facilities any less of a valuable
channel of command and control to the enemy's military infrastructure.

Personal Comment:

I find it ironic that, in our humanitarian gesture towards the people
of the Arabian Peninsula, the first casualties in the conflict may have
been civilian professionals like you and I.  The contradictions in the
philosophies of modern warfare, in terms of their goals and their
means, abound.


Steve_Mitchell@csufresno.edu

judice@sulaco.enet.dec.com (Louis J. Judice 25-Jan-1991 1110) (01/26/91)

I don't think there's anything ironic about telecom professionals
being blown up in our first attacks on Bagdad. Telecommunications,
railroads, police and fire departments are all civilian staffed
organizations that are an integral part of a country's infrastructure.
This infrastructure is the first target of an attack.

Rather than being ironic, I'd consider it to be almost a "compliment"
to be part of a profession that is so important to a nation's
security. People working in high profile locations are doubtlessly
aware that they are at greater risk of attack than other locations.

Believe me, living less than a mile from the AT&T network operations
center, I know full well that there are several Soviet warheads aimed
at me all the time!

I don't really think this is an appropriate place to start or continue
any kind of discussion of the MERITS of attacking any particular
country, but I certainly accept the idea that if you're going to
attack and win, you do things like target telephone switching centers
and microwave towers.


ljj

Ed_Greenberg@3mail.3com.com (01/26/91)

Steve Mitchell <steve@caticsuf.csufresno.edu> writes:

> I find it ironic that, in our humanitarian gesture towards the 
> people of the Arabian Peninsula, the first casualties in the 
> conflict may have been civilian professionals like you and I.  The 
> contradictions in the philosophies of modern warfare, in terms of 
> their goals and their means, abound.

You know, there isn't much humanitarian about a war.  It is sobering,
however, to realize that the telephone operators are as much at risk
as the soldiers.

As a technical person, you may too live near "ground zero."  I live
and work within ten miles of Moffett Naval Air Station -- in the heard
of Silicon Valley.  I grew up going to school across the street from
Grumman Aerospace in Bethpage, New York.  If "the big one comes" and
thank the deity that's less likely these days, I have no illusions
about whether I live in a target area.

On the other hand, if it is suggested that we not take out the
telephone exchange because there are civilian technicians working
there, then we have bowed to the Human Shield concept and our entire
operation is now held hostage.


[Moderator's Note: Telephone employees have been in the middle of
these things before and simply tried to carry on the best they could.
There have been local and national emergencies which greatly taxed the
ability of telecom people to get the job done ... yet they stuck with
it. Historical trivia: In the middle 1960's, protestors of the war in
southeast Asia barricaded the Administration Building at the
University of Chicago and forced the building to be closed for two
days. The one exception was the telephone operators: they not only
were permitted to enter and leave the building, but as a matter of
their personal safety were escorted in and out by the protestors.  PAT]