[comp.dcom.telecom] V.32bis and V.17 Adopted by CCITT

tnixon@uunet.uu.net (Toby Nixon) (03/10/91)

I received notice this morning via AT&T Mail from Dick Brandt, vice
chairman of CCITT Study Group XVII, that V.17 and V.32bis were
approved and are now formally adopted as CCITT Recommendations.  He
did not report the actually vote tally, but I assume that it was
unanimous.
 
V.17 is the new modulation scheme that provides 12000 and 14400 bps
trellis-coded modulation for Group 3 facsimile.  CCITT Recommendations
T.4 and T.30, which define Group 3 fax, have also been amended to
reference V.17 and provide for negotiation of its use (and those
amendments have been adopted as well).  V.17 also adds trellis-coded
modulation at 7200 and 9600; these speeds are also provided in Group 3
fax by V.29 modulation but without trellis coding.  V.17 should thus
allow these speeds to be used on somewhat worse lines than was
previously possible.
 
V.32bis is an extension of CCITT V.32 which adds speeds of 7200,
12000, and 14400bps, full-duplex on two-wire dial-up or leased lines.
V.32bis also adds a "rapid rate renegotiation" feature which allows
the modems, by mutual agreement, to shift data rates up or down
through a simple signalling process that takes about 1/10th of a
second; V.32 requires a full retrain, which takes from five to ten
seconds, in order to change speeds.
 

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peter@taronga.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) (03/11/91)

hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net (Toby Nixon) writes:

> V.17 is the new modulation scheme that provides 12000 and 14400 bps
> trellis-coded modulation for Group 3 facsimile.

Any relation to Telebit's proprietary "PEP" protocol?

peter@taronga.uucp.ferranti.com

tnixon@uunet.uu.net (Toby Nixon) (03/11/91)

In article <telecom11.196.3@eecs.nwu.edu>, peter@taronga.hackercorp.
com (Peter da Silva) writes:

>> V.17 is the new modulation scheme that provides 12000 and 14400 bps
>> trellis-coded modulation for Group 3 facsimile.

> Any relation to Telebit's proprietary "PEP" protocol?

We should probably move this to comp.dcom.modems, but anyway...

No, V.17 is not related to PEP at all.  In fact, V.17 is _really_ a
half-duplex version of V.32bis.  The modulation scheme (constellation,
coding, etc.) of V.17 is identical to V.32bis at 7200, 9600, 12000,
and 14400.  But because it is an application-specific modulation
standard intended specifically for Group 3 fax, it is half-duplex.  It
includes a fast turnaround capability, talker echo protection, and
"turn off" sequence, which apply to half-duplex modems only.  V.17
also does NOT include the "rate signalling" bits of V.32bis, but
instead depends on Group 3 negotiation procedures (T.30) to indicate
data rate.


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ccplumb@rose.uwaterloo.ca (Colin Plumb) (03/15/91)

peter@taronga.hackercorp.com (Peter da Silva) wrote:

> hayes!tnixon@uunet.uu.net (Toby Nixon) writes:

>> V.17 is the new modulation scheme that provides 12000 and 14400 bps
>> trellis-coded modulation for Group 3 facsimile.

> Any relation to Telebit's proprietary "PEP" protocol?

Not the slightest.  V.17 looks a lot like V.32bis, which looks nothing
like PEP.  The resemblance is as close as Latin is to Japanese.


Colin