[comp.dcom.telecom] Cellular One Dialing Procedures

"Ole J. Jacobsen" <ole@csli.stanford.edu> (05/29/91)

Folks,

I am trying to convince Cellular One here in the Bay Area that they
need to start accepting "canonical numbers" from cellular phones in
order to be in compliance with generally accepted industry standards.
(I've heard that there is even an IEA recommendation for this.) If you
can help me put forward my case I'd be grateful.

By "canonical numbers" I mean 10 digit numbers of the form:

(Area Code) prefix-number, e.g., (415) 962-2599.

Dialling such a number should *always* work, even if you are in your
"home" area code, i.e. in 415 in this case.

When I first got my phone about three years ago, everything worked
just fine, canonical numbers could be stored in memory and "dialled"
(sent to the MTSO by means of the S(p)END button), regardless of
whether the call was for within 415 or not.  When Pac*Bell introduced
1+ dialling for long distance calls, Cellular One decided in their
infinite wisdom to follow suit, and changed the dialling procedure
accordingly. So, now you have to dial 1 202 555-1212 or whatever. They
forgot (or so it seems) to enforce it for "local" calls, so until
recently you could still call a 415 number using canonical style
dialing: 415-xxx-yyyy.  Then recently, they discovered this "hole" and
now you can *only* dial "local" calls using seven digits: xxx-yyyy.

While I can sort of understand their idea that "it should work just
like a regular phone" the trouble is that you cannot store numbers in
memory any more and use the phone while travelling.  I am trying to
get them to accept canonical dialling *AS WELL AS* their current silly
scheme, but so far I have not had much luck finding anyone who even
understands what I am talking about. Some of the answers I have
received so far include:

"All our calls are routed through Pac*Bell, so we have to follow
Pac*Bell's dialling procedures!"

"We do not have any plans to market the dialling procedure you
requested at this time."

"All of our switches are programmed from Toronto, thus you can't
talk to the guy in charge of switch programming."

Since cellular systems employ pre-origination dialling, i.e., the
entire number is sent to the switch before any connection is made,
then it is clearly a small matter of programming to make this work
correctly, or is it not?


Ole J Jacobsen, Editor & Publisher ConneXions--The Interoperability
Report Interop, Inc., 480 San Antonio Road, Suite 100, Mountain View,
CA 94040, Phone: (415) 941-3399 FAX: (415) 949-1779 
Email: ole@csli.stanford.edu Direct: (415) 962-2515

John Higdon <john@zygot.ati.com> (05/30/91)

"Ole J. Jacobsen" <ole@csli.stanford.edu> writes:

> I am trying to convince Cellular One here in the Bay Area that they
> need to start accepting "canonical numbers" from cellular phones in
> order to be in compliance with generally accepted industry standards.

When I read your post, I reached over to my GTE Mobilnet-served
handheld and dialed '408 723-1395'. It worked just fine from my 408
mobile number.

> but so far I have not had much luck finding anyone who even
> understands what I am talking about. Some of the answers I have
> received so far include:

> "All our calls are routed through Pac*Bell, so we have to follow
> Pac*Bell's dialling procedures!"

Since Pacific Telesis is a major owner of Cellular One, this could be
somewhat truthful. Interestingly enough, however, GTE seems to have no
problem providing the dialing scheme you describe, even though its
calls are "routed through Pac*Bell" just like Cellular One's.

> "We do not have any plans to market the dialling procedure you
> requested at this time."

So it is a matter of marketing? Is everything "marketing driven" these
days? Does it have to be salable to exist?

> "All of our switches are programmed from Toronto, thus you can't
> talk to the guy in charge of switch programming."

That's a good one. I guess if the programmers are actually in Toronto,
there are no telephone circuits there so it would be impossible to
talk to them. On the other hand, GTE's switches are programmed from
Houston and I have talked to programmers for that company.

> Since cellular systems employ pre-origination dialling, i.e., the
> entire number is sent to the switch before any connection is made,
> then it is clearly a small matter of programming to make this work
> correctly, or is it not?

Obviously, since GTE seems to have no trouble. Your post has served as
a great example as to why I left Cellular One for GTE Mobilnet. GTE
hides its Houston base very well and comes off as a local operation
that is actually interested and concerned about customer satisfaction
with every aspect of the service. When I have had concerns and
questions, not only did I speak to people who gave me concise and
correct information, but in many cases there were follow up calls and
local numbers were given to me in case I had additional comments or
questions.

Frankly, I think it might be worth your while to switch.

 
        John Higdon         |   P. O. Box 7648   |   +1 408 723 1395
    john@zygot.ati.com      | San Jose, CA 95150 |       M o o !

"John R. Covert 05-Jun-1991 1446" <covert@covert.enet.dec.com> (06/05/91)

> Now the curious question is why Cellular One's switches would be
> programmed here.  The only switch maker I know in Toronto is Northern
> Telecom.  Or is it perhaps that Cellular One is owned by a Toronto
> based company ?  Cantel (the nation-wide "A" carrier) is into all
> sorts of other technical ventures.  Perhaps they're the culprit.

Your guess that Cantel is somehow involved may be right on the mark.
As was reported elsewhere, Bay Area Cellular has recently converted to
an Ericsson (correctly spelled with the double "s") switch.  Cantel is
the largest single user of Ericsson switches, and may be providing the
programming -- or Ericsson may have an office in Toronto where the
programming is done.

It seems to be the case throughout Cantel that local calls must be
dialled without a "1", and I wonder why Cantel subscribers don't
complain about the same problem of not being able to use repertory
dialling when travelling.

Someone asked about new features that Ericsson switches may provide:

Cantel customers are able to be reached regardless of where they are,
coast to coast in Canada, as well as in locations in the U.S. that are
Ericsson switches directly linked to Cantel, without doing anything at
all to indicate that they are in a new system.  In addition, all their
custom calling features, including three-way calling, call-forwarding,
and call-waiting, continue to work wherever they go.

The locations currently linked to Cantel are: Pittsburgh, Johnstown
and Erie, Pa., Wheeling, W. Va., Albany, Rochester, and Buffalo, N.Y.,
Detroit, Ann Arbor, Flint, Grand Rapids, Muskegon, and Saginaw, Mich.,
Toledo and Lima, Ohio, Jacksonville, Daytona, Orlando, Tampa, St.
Petersburg, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, and Miami, Fla.

All the "A" systems in Washington and Oregon are in the process of
being linked; they work at the moment if your Cantel number is a
British Columbia number, and will work for all Cantel numbers within a
few months.  Presumably other Ericsson systems will be linked to
Cantel (and to each other) as time goes on.

Next time I travel in these areas, I'll have the option (and the need
to decide) to use either my NYNEX number and Follow-Me-Roaming or my
Cantel number and Call-Following.

Of course, IS-41 is supposed to make all this possible so that all
systems everywhere get interconnected, but the Judge Greene problem
still exists for any cellular companies owned by Baby Bells -- and
this includes those Cellular Ones owned by Southwestern Bell, or by
PacTel, or by U.S. West.

Cellular One in San Francisco (Bay Area Cellular) is a partnership of
PacTel, McCaw, and one other minority owner.


john

Steve Forrette <forrette@cory.berkeley.edu> (06/07/91)

In article <telecom11.407.5@eecs.nwu.edu> Ole J Jacobson writes:

> I am trying to convince Cellular One here in the Bay Area that they
> need to start accepting "canonical numbers" from cellular phones in
> order to be in compliance with generally accepted industry standards.
> (I've heard that there is even an IEA recommendation for this.) If you
> can help me put forward my case I'd be grateful.

> By "canonical numbers" I mean 10 digit numbers of the form:
>	<10 digits without a preceeding 1>

> I am trying to get them to accept canonical dialling *AS WELL AS*
> their current silly scheme, but so far I have not had much luck
> finding anyone who even understands what I am talking about. Some of
> the answers I have received so far include: "All our calls are
> routed through Pac*Bell, so we have to follow Pac*Bell's dialling
> procedures!" 

This has long been a sore point for me as well.  When did the most
recent change occur?  Eleven-digit dialing for local calls worked for me
until I moved form the Bay Area just two weeks ago.

I had made several attempts to find out why ten digit dialing was not
allowed for long distance calls, and got nowhere each time.  They
would mostly compare it to regular phones, and say it works just like
them, so why should I complain?  "Pacific Bell requires it, so that's
why!"  I would offer that Pacific Bell does not allow ten digit
dialing of local calls, but it worked on their system, so the MTSO had
to be capable of reformatting numbers before handing them off to
Pacific Bell.  Additionally, I brought up the fact that all the other
cellular systems in California (and elsewhere) allow ten digit
dialing, even though the local companies that serve them require
eleven digits.

Of course, I got nowhere.  They either didn't understand those points,
or just ignored them, going back to the "Pacific Bell requires it"
argument.  The thing that really annoys me is not that the reps don't
know much about the technology, but rather that they can't reason
things out based on evidence presented to them.

So, I would say that you'll just have to live with it.  Part of the reason 
may be that Pacific Bell owns a substantial minority of Cellular One of
SF, and doesn't want anybody getting fancy ideas about ten digit long
distance (or, heaven forbid, LOCAL) dialing.


Steve Forrette, forrette@cory.berkeley.edu