shan@mcf.UUCP (Sharan Kalwani) (03/29/88)
Dear Fellow Netters,
Well... it looks like we'll be getting a VMS system here (most likely
a microVAX-II). I already run a VAX-11/750 with 4.3bsd +NFS on it,
plus a number of IBM PC's(60) and growing number of Mac SEs. My questions
are :
(i) I would like to run Ethernet between the microVAX and the
11/750. Which ethernet controller should i buy for the uVAX?
I already have a DEUNA on the 750 but might trade it in for
a DELUA.
(ii) How can I set things up so that folks on the uVAX logon to the
UNIX machine and vice-versa? I think I would like to get TCP/IP
and all the rlogin/telnet/ftp,etc. stuff for the uVAX. Which is the
best (or recommended) options to buy?
Will the uVAX-II be able to support all this? Will VMS block
ethernet logins?
(iii) How can the IBM PC's and Mac SEs also do the rlogin/telnet/ftp,etc.,
action with either of the UNIX VAX or VMS uVAX? How should
be go about doing this? Money is no object but of course
a few hundred feet above the ground is our limit (read $50,000
to $150,00 is my anticipated budget :-). Feel free to share your
expreriences and flights of fancy. I'm all ears!
(iv) This was added as an after thought, but we have an HP 3000
as well. How can we network that to the configuration above?
If I need to be specific please let me know I can supply details.
If this needs to be included in other groups, do modify the newsgroup header.
All advice appreciated.
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% setenv DISCLAIMER "`cat /your/favorite/disclaimer.h`"ron@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie) (03/31/88)
Q: I would like to run Ethernet between the microVAX and the 11/750. Which ethernet controller should i buy for the uVAX? I already have a DEUNA on the 750 but might trade it in for a DELUA. A: GO with the DELUA, there was a bug with DEUNA's in 750's that they sunk so much power when they energized the transciever that DCLO would occur on the UNIBUS crashing the machine. Q: How can I set things up so that folks on the uVAX logon to the UNIX machine and vice-versa? I think I would like to get TCP/IP and all the rlogin/telnet/ftp,etc. stuff for the uVAX. Which is the best (or recommended) options to buy? Will the uVAX-II be able to support all this? Will VMS block ethernet logins? A: Answer, best bet in a mixed environment is to run TCP/IP (of course, I'm a IP bigot). You can get TCP/IP for the VAX from a couple of commercial sources. We deal with Wollengong. The price is around $6000 list for a multiuser VMS uVAX, but you may be able to convince them to give them a discount. They have a very liberal discount for Universities now. This will allow full connectivity for login/telnet between the two machines. You could get DECNET for the UNIX machine, but this is not such a good solution. Q: How can the IBM PC's and Mac SEs also do the rlogin/telnet/ftp,etc., action with either of the UNIX VAX or VMS uVAX? How should be go about doing this? Money is no object but of course a few hundred feet above the ground is our limit (read $50,000 to $150,00 is my anticipated budget :-). Feel free to share your expreriences and flights of fancy. I'm all ears! A: You can fully equip an IBM-PC with an Ethernet card and TCP software for less than $500 dollars. You can probably do it for less than $300 if you rely on Public Domain software and the cheaper Ethernet cards. We tend towards the Micom 5210 cards these days. For Macintoshes, there is no good way for the non-MAC-II's to hold an Ethernet card. However, you can run TCP/IP nicely by using an Appletalk->Ethernet gateway. Specifically, the Kinetics FastPath (less than $2000) which will serve an entire Appletalk net. We use this in conjunction with the public domain NCSA telnet. You can get Ethernet cards for the MAC-II's and rumor has it for the SE, but I have no experience with this as the FastPath box is more economical when you have more than one or two Macs to hook up. Q: This was added as an after thought, but we have an HP 3000 as well. How can we network that to the configuration above? A: HP has now announced TCP/IP for the 3000 as well. Unfortunately they don't use the standard Ethernet format so you have to buy a converter box from a company called CISCO. This costs around $6000 (list) but you can also use the same box to provide interface for telnet and rlogin from regular ASCII terminals to the network. -Ron
ehrlich@blitz (Dan Ehrlich) (03/31/88)
In article <Mar.30.11.12.09.1988.26831@topaz.rutgers.edu> ron@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie) writes: >... >A: GO with the DELUA, there was a bug with DEUNA's in 750's that > they sunk so much power when they energized the transciever that > DCLO would occur on the UNIBUS crashing the machine. > That's funny. We have an 11/750 that runs just fine with a DEUNA installed. Dan Ehrlich <ehrlich@blitz.{cs.psu.edu,bitnet,uucp}> The Pennsylvania State University, Department of Computer Science 333 Whitmore Laboratory, University Park, PA 16802 +1 814 863 1142 or +1 814 865 9723 Dan Ehrlich <ehrlich@blitz.{cs.psu.edu,bitnet,uucp}> The Pennsylvania State University, Department of Computer Science 333 Whitmore Laboratory, University Park, PA 16802 +1 814 863 1142 or +1 814 865 9723
david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- Resident E-mail Hack) (03/31/88)
In article <3405@psuvax1.psu.edu> ehrlich@blitz (Dan Ehrlich) writes: >In article <Mar.30.11.12.09.1988.26831@topaz.rutgers.edu> ron@topaz.rutgers.edu (Ron Natalie) writes: >>... >>A: GO with the DELUA, there was a bug with DEUNA's in 750's that >> they sunk so much power when they energized the transciever that >> DCLO would occur on the UNIBUS crashing the machine. >> > >That's funny. We have an 11/750 that runs just fine with a DEUNA installed. Yeah ... so do we. But I think it's on its own unibus in our machine. I don't remember. Anyway, the DELUA being a newer design is a better board. For the same reason you want to get DELQA's for uVaxen instead of DEQNA's. -- <---- David Herron -- The E-Mail guy <david@ms.uky.edu> <---- or: {rutgers,uunet,cbosgd}!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <---- <---- I don't have a Blue bone in my body!