dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) (05/16/91)
Greetings DECoids! I recently purchased a PDP11/34, w/ 256kb memory, and two RK05 disks (not sure what else, I haven't picked it up yet). I plan to run RT-11 on it and program in MACRO-11, for now at least. I'm not hardware oriented (How many programmers does it take to change a light bulb? Can't be done, it's hardware), so I'll be learning as I go. What I'd like to do is get a version of Unix, with source, that I could run on the 11. Is there anyone out there who has experience with this type of configuration? A real old version of Unix would be fine, and probably preferable. How much disk space would I need for, say, a version of SYS 7? What kind of disks can I hang off an 11/34? ANY information would be appreciated, like I say, I'm a programmer! :-) Oh yeah, almost forgot, can I get TECO for RT-11? I love TECO, haven't used it in years, but I still haven't found an editor that even comes close to it, IMHO! -- =============================================================================== Douglas N. Ritter Hoch und stiel leben! dougr@meaddata.com ..!uunet!meaddata!dougr No, I'm not speaking for MDC!
dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) (05/17/91)
In article <4362@meaddata.meaddata.com>, I wrote: >I recently purchased a PDP11/34, w/ 256kb memory, and two RK05 >disks (not sure what else, I haven't picked it up yet). I plan [stuff deleted] >learning as I go. What I'd like to do is get a version of Unix, >with source, that I could run on the 11. Is there anyone out >there who has experience with this type of configuration? A real >old version of Unix would be fine, and probably preferable. >How much disk space would I need for, say, a version of SYS 7? ^^^^^^ Obviously I meant Sys III. Sorry. I have a hardcopy listing of Sys III Level 6, from 1976 that was distributed free of charge for educational purposes. It runs on an 11/40 w/ 2 RK05s, an LP11 printer, PC11 paper tape reader/punch, and a KL11 terminal interface. To further clarify my request, is there a PUBLIC DOMAIN version of Unix or a Unix look-alike (similar to MINIX (not free, but only what, $75?) for the PC) for 11s that is available through DECUS or other LEGAL means? I have NO INTENTION of pirating software, thank you very much. Also, I got my 11/34 for $100 (US). Not bad, eh? Of COURSE I WANTED a newer/bigger system, but the price was right! Geez, I didn't think I'd get flamed in here! -- =============================================================================== Douglas N. Ritter Hoch und stiel leben! dougr@meaddata.com ..!uunet!meaddata!dougr No, I'm not speaking for MDC!
bqt@cia.docs.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) (05/23/91)
In <4362@meaddata.meaddata.com> dougr@meaddata.com (Doug Ritter) writes: >Greetings DECoids! >I recently purchased a PDP11/34, w/ 256kb memory, and two RK05 >disks (not sure what else, I haven't picked it up yet). I plan >to run RT-11 on it and program in MACRO-11, for now at least. >I'm not hardware oriented (How many programmers does it take to >change a light bulb? Can't be done, it's hardware), so I'll be >learning as I go. What I'd like to do is get a version of Unix, >with source, that I could run on the 11. Is there anyone out >there who has experience with this type of configuration? A real >old version of Unix would be fine, and probably preferable. >How much disk space would I need for, say, a version of SYS 7? >What kind of disks can I hang off an 11/34? ANY information >would be appreciated, like I say, I'm a programmer! :-) Hmmm, you can hand almost any kind of disks on an 11/34. For MASSBUS disks, you'll need a massbus interface. All Unibus controllers can be used right away. (I think) Recommend you get something bigger than RK05. They are only 3.5Mbyte a piece. >Oh yeah, almost forgot, can I get TECO for RT-11? I love TECO, >haven't used it in years, but I still haven't found an editor >that even comes close to it, IMHO! Yes, TECO-11 is available for RT-11. It should actually be on the RT-11 distribution I think. We have an 11/34 with RSX-11M running here. It has 1 meg of memory, one RL01, one RL02 and one RM03. One DH-11 (16 terminal ports). Great fun... By "we", I mean the computer club in Uppsala, Update. Johnny
spa@fct.unl.pt (Salvador Pinto Abreu) (05/25/91)
on 23 May 91 00:28:03 GMT, bqt@cia.docs.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) said: [...] x> We have an 11/34 with RSX-11M running here. x> It has 1 meg of memory, 1Meg??? Are you sure it's an 11/34? I once ran such a beast (actually an 11/34a) and as far as I remember, having an 18-bit UNIBUS, it would only address 256Kb. x> one RL01, one RL02 and one RM03. x> One DH-11 (16 terminal ports). Great fun... Agreed! x> By "we", I mean the computer club in Uppsala, Update. x> Johnny -- -- Salvador Pinto Abreu spa@fct.unl.pt Universidade Nova de Lisboa, PORTUGAL
hal@world.std.com (Harry A Levinson) (05/28/91)
In article <SPA.91May24170642@alfa.fct.unl.pt> spa@fct.unl.pt (Salvador Pinto Abreu) writes: > >on 23 May 91 00:28:03 GMT, >bqt@cia.docs.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) said: > > [...] > >x> We have an 11/34 with RSX-11M running here. >x> It has 1 meg of memory, > >1Meg??? Are you sure it's an 11/34? I once ran such a beast (actually >an 11/34a) and as far as I remember, having an 18-bit UNIBUS, it would >only address 256Kb. > I believe ABLE or some other company once made an MMU/memory upgrade for the PDP 11/34 that allowed it to go beyond the 256Kb limit. There are also two companys that sell J11 based upgrades for the PDP-11 Unibus systems providing more speed and 11/70 style MMU for running System 7 (?) or whatever needs seperate I/D addressing and 4 Megs of memory. Nissho Electronics in CA Quickware Engineering & Design, Inc. in Mass (I work here.) harry levinson hal@world.std.com
bowles@stsci.EDU (Richard Bowles) (05/29/91)
hal@world.std.com (Harry A Levinson) writes: >In article <SPA.91May24170642@alfa.fct.unl.pt> spa@fct.unl.pt (Salvador Pinto Abreu) writes: >> >>1Meg??? Are you sure it's an 11/34? I once ran such a beast (actually >>an 11/34a) and as far as I remember, having an 18-bit UNIBUS, it would >>only address 256Kb. >> >I believe ABLE or some other company once made an MMU/memory upgrade for >the PDP 11/34 that allowed it to go beyond the 256Kb limit. Yes, ABLE did make such a beast -- I believe they sold their older product line to a spin off, though. By the way, if the machine in question has the ABLE board, O/S patches were required to make it work (RSX or RSTS if my memory is correct) >harry levinson >hal@world.std.com Richard Bowles (former ABLE employee -- but a long time ago) bowles@stsci.edu
bqt@cia.docs.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) (05/31/91)
In <SPA.91May24170642@alfa.fct.unl.pt> spa@fct.unl.pt (Salvador Pinto Abreu) writes: >on 23 May 91 00:28:03 GMT, >bqt@cia.docs.uu.se (Johnny Billquist) said: > [...] >x> We have an 11/34 with RSX-11M running here. >x> It has 1 meg of memory, >1Meg??? Are you sure it's an 11/34? I once ran such a beast (actually >an 11/34a) and as far as I remember, having an 18-bit UNIBUS, it would >only address 256Kb. Yup. Original 11/34's has 18bit Unibus, however, there was another company, which I don't remember the name of, but it might have been System Industries, modified 11/34 to 22bit Unibus, so we can actually plug in 4 meg if we can fint the memory boards. If you, or anybody is interested, I can check out which company made the 22bit Unibus modification to the 11/34. Johnny