rwood.or.wood@gatekeeper.dec.com (Richard Wood) (03/02/89)
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Digital Equipment Corporation recently introduced the DECstation 3100,
along with several other significant products. This DECstation is the
first model in a family of RISC workstation running Digital's Ultrix
operating system.
Information is now available on the Internet on this product.
The following files are available via anonymous FTP from the node
gatekeeper.dec.com (128.45.9.52):
310596 ds3100_tech.ps
102711 ds3100_tech.ps.Z
536062 ds3100_perf.1a.ps
337888 ds3100_perf.1b.ps
781831 ds3100_perf.2.ps
135081 ds3100_perf.1a.ps.Z
93933 ds3100_perf.1b.ps.Z
207485 ds3100_perf.2.ps.Z
(The *.Z files are compacted using the compress(1) program
in Ultrix v3.0 and many other Unix systems. The compress
program uses using adaptive Lempel-Ziv coding.)
The "ds3100_tech" files contain a postscript version of the
DECstation 3100 Technical Overview.
The three-part "ds3100_perf" files contains a postscript version of the
DECstation 3100 Performance Summary.
Since both of these contain significant graphics, no plaintext versions
are available.
If you cannot access the Internet, or don't have access to a PostScript
printer, ask a Digital Sales representative for a copy of the
documents. Please don't ask me for hardcopies or direct email of the
PostScript files.
(For the salesrep's information, the first document is titled
"DECstation 3100 Technical Overview", order #EZ-J4052-28, the second is
titled "DECstation 3100 Performance Summary" and does not have an order
number. Both were produced by Digital's Workstations Base Product
Marketing Group.)
Note: Neither of the above documents includes order numbers or
detailed pricing information.
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Does it need saying that I'm not speaking as an official representative of DEC?
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Richard Wood ! U. S. Worksystems, Palo Alto ! Digital Equipment Corporationramesh@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (nallepilli.s.ramesh) (03/16/89)
I have a basic question about the DEC station 3100 running Ultrix. Is it possible to have multiple users logged in to the DEC 3100 via the ethernet? We are planning to use a bunch of PCs in our lab on a ethernet hooked up to the DEc station 3100. We need remote login capability. Two of the sales reps gave me conflicting information! One said that two users can be simultaneously logged in, the other said that only one (on the console ) can be logged in. Can anybody shed some light? We are new to the networking world, and are comparing the suitability of DEC workstation vs. the Sun workstation. Any help appreciated. N. Ramesh ATT BELL LABS, WHIPPANY, NJ UUCP: att!harpo!ramesh PH: 201-386-2806 Thanks
bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Bob Kinne) (03/16/89)
In article <272@cbnewsl.ATT.COM> ramesh@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (nallepilli.s.ramesh) writes: > >I have a basic question about the DEC station 3100 running Ultrix. >Is it possible to have multiple users logged in to the DEC 3100 via >the ethernet? We are planning to use a bunch of PCs in our lab on a The workstation permits any number of users logged in through ethernet or attached terminals. Licensing is a different matter. You may have 2-user, 8-user, 16-user, 32-user, 64-user, or 65+ user licensing. A system parameter limits the number allowed to log in (not including the console) to an appropriate number. Your system manager can help you set the system parameter to agree with your license. Bob Kinne Optoelectronics Computing Center UCB, Campus Box 525 VOICE (303) 492-3330 Boulder, CO 80309 INTERNET bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU
thompson@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) (03/17/89)
In article <272@cbnewsl.ATT.COM> ramesh@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (nallepilli.s.ramesh) writes: > >I have a basic question about the DEC station 3100 running Ultrix. >Is it possible to have multiple users logged in to the DEC 3100 via >the ethernet? We are planning to use a bunch of PCs in our lab on a >ethernet hooked up to the DEc station 3100. We need remote login >capability. Two of the sales reps gave me conflicting information! >One said that two users can be simultaneously logged in, the other said >that only one (on the console ) can be logged in. Can anybody shed some light? >We are new to the networking world, and are comparing the suitability of >DEC workstation vs. the Sun workstation. We have two of these, newly delivered. It is most definitely possible to have multiple users logged in. However, the machine comes with a 2 user license, so unless you buy an upgrade (we have the 8-user upgrade for an extra $300), you're limited to two users. It doesn't seem to count root as one of these; this morning we had two people logged in over the ethernet, and I successfully logged in as root on the console. The 2 user license doesn't limit you to one on the console and one remote; it seems to be a total of two, where-ever they may come from. As regards the DS3100 vs Sun, all I can say here is that I recently compared the performance of my main application (a floating-point intensive code that runs for several hours) between the DS3100 and a Sun 4/110. The DS3100 was 3.34 times faster. Don't know about the new Sun stopgap machine. Steve
pavlov@hscfvax.harvard.edu (G.Pavlov) (03/17/89)
In article <272@cbnewsl.ATT.COM>, ramesh@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (nallepilli.s.ramesh) writes: > I have a basic question about the DEC station 3100 running Ultrix. > Is it possible to have multiple users logged in to the DEC 3100 via > the ethernet? ................... We need remote login > capability. Two of the sales reps gave me conflicting information! > One said that two users can be simultaneously logged in, the other said > that only one (on the console ) can be logged in. Can anybody shed some light? > We are new to the networking world, and are comparing the suitability of > DEC workstation vs. the Sun workstation. > DEC workstations running Ultrix permit two simultaneous logins. If you need more than this, than you have to purchase an "official" multiuser system (same hardware, but add'l disk bundled in). Helps protect dinosaur sales :-) The confusion arises because the Ultrix license for DEC workstations is often called a "single-user" license, even tho two are permitted. Also, according to MY local salesman, VMS workstations are indeed restricted to single-user only. But his reliability may not be any better than mine.... In spite of the above sarcasm, I would recommend the DECstation 3100's over anything that Sun currently has to offer, especially since you do not yet have an investment in either. The MIPS processor and software is, in my opinion (based on some pretty extensive testing), superior to SPARC and the Motorola 68nnn series. greg pavlov, fstrf, amherst, ny
aad@stpstn.UUCP (Anthony A. Datri) (03/17/89)
In article <7561@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> thompson@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) writes: >have multiple users logged in. However, the machine comes with a 2 user >license This is one of the things that I *can't* forgive DEC for. >compared the performance of my main application (a floating-point >intensive code that runs for several hours) between the DS3100 and >a Sun 4/110. The DS3100 was 3.34 times faster. Does that 4/110 have the optional floating point? I've found that ours is terrible at floating point because it doesn't. . . . -- @disclaimer(Any concepts or opinions above are entirely mine, not those of my employer, my GIGI, my VT05, or my 11/34) beak is@>beak is not Anthony A. Datri @SysAdmin(Stepstone Corporation) aad@stepstone.com stpstn!aad
pavlov@hscfvax.harvard.edu (G.Pavlov) (03/17/89)
In article <7561@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu>, thompson@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) writes: [re DECstation 3100's ] > > We have two of these, newly delivered. It is most definitely possible to > have multiple users logged in. However, the machine comes with a 2 user > license, so unless you buy an upgrade (we have the 8-user upgrade for > an extra $300), you're limited to two users. Note that the "8-user upgrade" is available to academic institutions only. greg pavlov, fstrf, amherst, ny
thompson@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) (03/18/89)
In article <3085@stpstn.UUCP> aad@stpstn.UUCP (Anthony A. Datri) writes: >In article <7561@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> thompson@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) writes: >>compared the performance of my main application (a floating-point >>intensive code that runs for several hours) between the DS3100 and >>a Sun 4/110. The DS3100 was 3.34 times faster. > >Does that 4/110 have the optional floating point? I've found that ours >is terrible at floating point because it doesn't. Yup, the 4/110 has an FPU. Steve
jg@crltrx.crl.dec.com (Jim Gettys) (03/20/89)
In article <7579@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> thompson@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) writes: >In article <3085@stpstn.UUCP> aad@stpstn.UUCP (Anthony A. Datri) writes: >>In article <7561@batcomputer.tn.cornell.edu> thompson@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Steve Thompson) writes: >>>compared the performance of my main application (a floating-point >>>intensive code that runs for several hours) between the DS3100 and >>>a Sun 4/110. The DS3100 was 3.34 times faster. >> >>Does that 4/110 have the optional floating point? I've found that ours >>is terrible at floating point because it doesn't. > >Yup, the 4/110 has an FPU. Yes, the PMAX (DECstation 3100) is that fast. :-) 3.34 is well within the typical performance variance between the Sun 4/110 and the PMAX. See the latest MIPS Performance Brief (version 3.6) that MIPS puts out; it has lots of useful data of many benchmarks; I provided John Mashey with the PMAX numbers when the machine was announced (John was kind enough to provide me with a tape of the benchmark suite). Jim Gettys Digital Equipment Corporation Cambridge Reserch Laboratory
bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Bob Kinne) (04/13/89)
Bob Kinne Optoelectronics Computing Center UCB, Campus Box 525 VOICE (303) 492-3330 Boulder, CO 80309 INTERNET bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU We will be installing a DECstation 3100 in about 2 weeks. We would like to install ULTRIX 3.0 over the network, in the same way we support VAXStations. Our server is a 3500 with TK tape. Since the byte ordering is different between the VAX and the MIPS machine, are there any problems or tricks involved in setting up the DECstation as a Remote Installation client of the VAXserver? We will have the DECstation ULTRIX on a tape, we only need to download it from tape to server, then from server to workstation. Our DEC rep has no answers, and recommends buying a TK drive with the DECstation (cost about $6500) to do downloads. This doesn't seem necessary to me, but I'd like some information from someone with experience.
jg@crltrx.crl.dec.com (Jim Gettys) (04/14/89)
In article <8107@boulder.Colorado.EDU> bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Bob Kinne) writes: >We will be installing a DECstation 3100 in about 2 weeks. We >would like to install ULTRIX 3.0 over the network, in the same >way we support VAXStations. Our server is a 3500 with TK tape. >Since the byte ordering is different between the VAX and the >MIPS machine, are there any problems or tricks involved in setting >up the DECstation as a Remote Installation client of the VAXserver? >We will have the DECstation ULTRIX on a tape, we only need to >download it from tape to server, then from server to workstation. >Our DEC rep has no answers, and recommends buying a TK drive with >the DECstation (cost about $6500) to do downloads. This doesn't >seem necessary to me, but I'd like some information from someone >with experience. The MIPS processors can be run in either byte order. Strangely enough, we chose to run the processor in the same byte order as the VAX. :-) Ultrix can be installed from a VAXstation onto the DECstation 3100 (PMAX) just fine; you do have to update the software on the VAXstation to perform the installation however. The machine I compose this message is a DECstation 3100; and it was installed from a VAX 8550 onto my RZ55; we just installed this week a number of other DECstations running diskless using the 8550 as their server. We do not have a single TK50Z here at CRL. In this release, there are some problems in performing RIS installations on both VAXstations and DECstations simultaneously (you can do one or the other but not both at the same instant); I presume these problems will be fixed in Ultrix 3.1, but can't speak for UEG. Jim Gettys Digital Equipment Corporation Cambridge Research Lab
cdl@mplvax.EDU (Carl Lowenstein) (04/14/89)
In article <8107@boulder.Colorado.EDU> bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Bob Kinne) writes: >Bob Kinne Optoelectronics Computing Center >UCB, Campus Box 525 VOICE (303) 492-3330 >Boulder, CO 80309 INTERNET bobk@boulder.Colorado.EDU >We will be installing a DECstation 3100 in about 2 weeks. >Since the byte ordering is different between the VAX and the >MIPS machine, are there any problems or tricks involved in setting >up the DECstation as a Remote Installation client of the VAXserver? No -- the byte ordering is a 'board-construction time' option with the MIPS chip set. MIPS themselves chose to be big-endian, while DEC using the same chips chose to be little-endian, to match VAXen, PDP11's, 80x86's etc. etc. -- carl lowenstein marine physical lab u.c. san diego {decvax|ucbvax} !ucsd!mplvax!cdl cdl@mplvax.ucsd.edu
rzh@lll-lcc.UUCP (Roger Hanscom) (10/26/89)
Hi all --
I've been given a 3100 to bring up --- only catch is it has a
single, WREN IV drive attached to it. Off course, all the DEC
installation software doesn't want to deal with the 3rd party drive.
I've gotten around most of this ^%$%^* garbage, but now when I boot
I go into the init question and answer stuff. It tries to load
rz0g (/usr) from the distribution tape (it doesn't really need to,
I dumped/restored a /usr into rz0g already), and complains about
the disk again (/etc/disktab was modified for the WREN IV). Is there
another blinkin' table to modify?? How do I get around this??
While I'm here, I'm using ns=49, nt=9, and nc=1412 for the WREN IV.
Is that right??
Pardon me, but I must say that I'm really pissed off at DEC for
all of this crap. They're wasting a *bunch* of my time on mickey
mouse crap and marketing tactics that stink. If they really want to
sell competitively priced workstations, they'd better clean up their
act. We won't be buying any more of these things until they become
*open* systems.
roger rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.govcollins@grumpy.cs.unm.edu (Bill Collins) (10/31/89)
In article <2640@lll-lcc.UUCP> rzh@lll-lcc.UUCP (Roger Hanscom) writes: >Hi all -- > I've been given a 3100 to bring up --- only catch is it has a >single, WREN IV drive attached to it. Off course, all the DEC ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Really? I didn't know that DEC sold them this way. :-) >installation software doesn't want to deal with the 3rd party drive. Yeah, Lots of people have been doing it anyway.(Not without a little effort) Its not like DEC is accomodating other companies though. > ...(more steam to let off)... > Pardon me, but I must say that I'm really pissed off at DEC for >all of this crap. They're wasting a *bunch* of my time on mickey >mouse crap and marketing tactics that stink. First, call up CDC for the specification of the drive you purchased.(Somehow one would expect this to come with the drive. Though this is not always the case.) Second, do you read news? There has been plenty of talk on the net on how to do it. Most of them are quite easy to do. In fact, some of the DEC designers have posted the information as well. Third, It is indeed that more difficult to use a 3rd party drive as the first (boot) drive *any* machine. At least it is "do-able" on the DECstation. (Some vendors make it impossible.) Besides, just what are you complaining about? Marketing tactics that all companies use? The lack of a news at your site? That DEC is not in the business of accomodating other companies' disk drives?(or at least this one.) That the XYZ company who sold the CDC didn't tell you that it wasn't turn-key? That the information that you required to make the task more simple didn't come unsolicited? "Caveat empture"(sp?) is a phrase that goes back a way. Is there any reason why we have to relearn the lesson? Bill collins@unmvax.unm.edu gatech!unmvax!collins ------------------- Have you been bussed today?
th82787@cc.tut.fi (Heinonen Tomi) (06/12/91)
Hi! Is there any ftp sites in internet which has PD programs to new DEC workstations? I have one in my work and I would like to get some games:-) -- Tomi Heinonen th82787@cc.tut.fi Tampere University of Technology -------------------------------------------------------------------- Atomikatu 6 A 19, 33720 TAMPERE, Finland (tel. +358 31 185 757)