[comp.sys.dec] DSSI disks

jdr@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Jim Ray) (06/14/91)

Anyone know if the DSSI disks are SCSI ( or some form thereof )?

If not, what type of interface do they use?

Thanks,




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alan@shodha.enet.dec.com ( Alan's Home for Wayward Notes File.) (06/14/91)

In article <1991Jun13.200046.4932@mlb.semi.harris.com>, jdr@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Jim Ray) writes:
> Anyone know if the DSSI disks are SCSI ( or some form thereof )?

	DSSI is not SCSI, though at times it looks a lot like it.  First
	the storage protocols used are MSCP for disks and TMSCP for tapes.
	As with SCSI each "device" on it has an imbedded disk or tape
	controller.  The DSSI devices are called Integrate Storage Elements
	(ISEs).

	One way of looking at is that each ISE is a single drive HSC and
	the DSSI is the CI.
> 
> If not, what type of interface do they use?

	Yet another DEC proprietary DSA thing.  I suspect that people
	that designed looked at SCSI and decided they could do better.
	They probably use EDC/ECC instead of parity for data integrity
	on the bus.  They may have extended the 6 meter cable limit or 
	least made sure that all 6 meters is usable.

	If DSSI drives were closer to SCSI drives in price, I'd prefer
	them for storing my files.
> 
> Thanks,

	You're welcome.

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> Jim Ray                                Harris Semiconductor


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henderson@esvax.hamavnet.com (06/14/91)

In article <1991Jun13.200046.4932@mlb.semi.harris.com>, jdr@sloth.mlb.semi.harris.com (Jim Ray) writes:

> Anyone know if the DSSI disks are SCSI ( or some form thereof )?

No, they are not.
> 
> If not, what type of interface do they use?

They use DSSI interface.
> 
> Thanks,

You're welcome.
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braun@dri.com (Kral) (06/17/91)

In article <3372@shodha.enet.dec.com> alan@shodha.enet.dec.com ( Alan's Home for Wayward Notes File.) writes:
>
>	If DSSI drives were closer to SCSI drives in price, I'd prefer
>	them for storing my files.

Emulex is now making a line of DSSI compatible drives (DM series).  We are in
the process of purchasing one to add to our 4 RF71s.  I'll post a summary after
we've had a chance to test them out.  Here is a comparison chart I got from my
dealer (Pioneer):

			    DEC					EMULEX
		RF30	RF31	RF71	RF72		DM3760	DM3120	DM3160

capacity	150MB	381MB	400MB	1000MB		666MB	1036MB	1370MB
avg acc.	29.4ms	23.6ms	29.3ms	21.7ms		18.2ms	23.3ms	17.0ms
avg seek	21.0ms	15.3ms	21.0ms	13.4ms		11.9ms	15.0ms	11.5ms
list $		$3250	$8500	$8500	$13,000		$6795	$8195	$8895
$/MB		$21.67	$21.25	$18.99	$13.00		$10.20	$7.90	$6.49

[I see the RF31 and RF71 prices and $/MB don't make any sense, so you'll have
to check this out for yourself].


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