[comp.mail.misc] HELP WITH MAILX --- URGENT!

emrozek@ecsvax.UUCP (Ed Mrozek) (06/25/87)

I am in great need of your assistance.

BACKGROUND

I supervise a computer services  operation.   Currently,  we
are  in  the  process of bring up electronic mail for nearly
1200 employees. The mail system is mailx on  SVR2  with  our
own system of menus for seldom users. These people are scat-
tered over the entire state at roughly 160 sites.   At  each
site  there is at least one ibm pc compatible which is being
used as the terminal into the mail system.  At  present,  we
have assigned a user id for each person.  The administration
of the organization has argued that this should not  be  the
case.  They argue that there should be an id for the site.

PROBLEM

Basically, the administration views this system as a  secre-
tarial  tool.   As  such, they would like to see secretaries
manage the mail for all of the people at a given site.  They
hope to accomplish this by generating an id for the site and
then letting the sec. do her thing.  I argue that she can do
this  by  means  of  our  menu  system.  We have developed a
facility called "mail manager" (mailmgr) that will  allow  a
user  to  be  registered as a mail manager for a site.  This
utility notifies the mail manager if  the  users  that  they
support have received mail.  There can be more than one mail
manager per site.  In order to access the mail  for  another
user,  the  mail  manager  establishes a new shell through a
utility which is basically a login to another  session.   In
this  other session, they become one of the other users with
the mail.  Through this mechanism, they maintain the ability
to send/reply to mail with appropriate addressing on the to:
and from: lines.  Through a common mail box, this capability
would be lost; a considerable disadvantage in *my* opinion.

Here lies the problem;  some  people  argue  that  login  to
another  session  is quite wasteful of time.  Yes, the users
are paying for their access time.  (I have timed it  and  it
takes  approximately  15  seconds to login as another user).
To *me*, the cost is minor.  We pay $.12/minute for our  in-
state long distance during prime time and $.08/minute in the
off-hours. Also, it appears to me  that  there  will  be  no
advantage  (for  line time) as a sec.  will have a much more
difficult time  managing  mail  for  upwards  of  20  people
through  a  common  id.  I base this on the opinion that the
"folders" capability do provide  true  usefulness  and  that
automatic send and reply addressing are useful functions.

I have not yet considered what this could  do  to  our  news
system (we are running netnews).

HOW YOU CAN HELP

If I am wrong about this whole thing, I would  like  you  to
tell  me.  If I am right, I would also like to know.  If you
have encountered a similar situation, I would like  to  know
how you resolved it.  If you have opinions on how this prob-
lem can be addressed, I would like to hear them.

Most of all, I need to know the  technical  details  of  the
pros and cons of anything that you offer.

This last request is most important as this whole  situation
could result in a major turnover in personnel.

Lastly, time is of the essence.  We are supposed to have the
system  up  and  running  on July 1, 1987 (gulp!!!).  We are
nearly complete.  However, emotions are running so  high  on
this  thing  that the plug may get pulled on the project; at
least until a solution to this is found.

I apologize for the length of this posting and I  thank  you
for your assistance.


        Ed Mrozek
        Supervisor, Extension Computer Services
        Box 7626
        North Carolina State University
        Raleigh, NC  27695-7626

        VOICE: (919) 737-2983
        E-mail: emrozek@ecsvax

P.S.  Please respond by mail.  I will summarize and post if
      there is interest.