[net.news.group] proposed 'standard' for creating ne

emjej@uokvax.UUCP (03/12/86)

/* Written  2:46 pm  Mar  6, 1986 by lauren@vortex.UUCP in net.news.group */
It would appear to me that the number of users on a site is largely
irrelevant to the issue of "voting."

The issue isn't really whether or not lots of people want to discuss 
a given topic.  The issue is whether or not it makes sense to use
newsgroups to handle the traffic involved in discussing such a topic.
/* End of text from net.news.group */

Yes, that is *very* true, BUT--a thing I think causes people to want news-
groups instead of mailing lists is that there's no *conceptual* difference
between topics-that-should-be-sent-as-mailing-lists and topics-that-should-
be-sent-as-newsgroups but there's a big *interface* difference between the
two.  Mailing-list vs. newsgroup/notesfile SHOULD BE a trivium of implemen-
tation; the INTERFACE should be identical.  There should be a way to "create"
net.foam so that people can still use their favorite netnews-reader to read
it and post to it, while underneath it gets sent in whatever way the net or
the net.gods decide is the most reasonable.  If the amount of traffic changes,
the method of transport should be able to change without ANY of the users
noticing ANY difference.

						James Jones

gam@amdahl.UUCP (G A Moffett) (03/18/86)

In article <9300044@uokvax.UUCP> emjej@uokvax.UUCP writes:

>       Mailing-list vs. newsgroup/notesfile SHOULD BE a trivium of implemen-
> tation; the INTERFACE should be identical.  

James is absolutely correct!  It hadn't really occured to me
until now why mailing lists are relatively unpopular.  When we have
tools of the intellegence of rn or even readnews for mailing lists,
the choice will no longer be a matter of user conveinience but
of sheer interest level.

See!  The crowd in net.general/net.followup are calling for their
own net.letterman/net.latenite newsgroup!  If only a mailing list
were as convienient to fullfill their wishes, without burdening
the rest of us!

The ardent proponents of mailing lists should seek to improve the
software which its readers would use!

(uh, I'm busy at other projects right now, thank you ...)
-- 
Gordon A. Moffett		...!{ihnp4,seismo,hplabs}!amdahl!gam

" ... that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these
ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new government ...."

donn@utah-cs.UUCP (Donn Seeley) (03/20/86)

If you're running 2.10.3 B news with moderator software, you can treat
a mailing list exactly like a moderated newsgroup.

Let's say you want to subscribe to the mailing list 'nbc-volume!latenite'.
Create the local newsgroup 'mail.latenite' and put the line

	mail.latenite nbc-volume!latenite

in your 'moderators' file.  Add an appropriate mail alias; e.g. for
sendmail, you could use:

	mail-latenite: "|/usr/new/lib/news/recnews mail.latenite"

Send mail to 'nbc-volume!latenite-request' asking that mailing list
messages be sent to the address mail-latenite at your site.  Then
subscribe to 'mail.latenite' and you're all set.  The 2.10.3 postnews
will automatically mail instead of post any messages to 'mail.latenite',
and followups to articles in that group will also be mailed (beware --
some versions of postnews are broken and don't support this).  I don't
know if 'rn' supports this; it shouldn't be difficult to arrange if it
doesn't.

We actually use this here at Utah,

Donn Seeley    University of Utah CS Dept    donn@utah-cs.arpa
40 46' 6"N 111 50' 34"W    (801) 581-5668    decvax!utah-cs!donn