lgl@blake.acs.washington.edu (Laurence G Lundblade) (07/13/89)
We're looking for a very simple and easy to use MUA, so simple most of
you won't consider using it. One of the objectives is to reduce stress by
having the MUA never do anything the user doesn't understand or
expect. Another principle I'd impose is that it is better for the user
to type some command a bunch of times and have it respond very fast
than to type some regular expression or fill in some selection panel.
Hopefully it will include some simple editor to compose mail, but
maybe I can dig up some thing to do that elsewhere.
Non-UNIX platforms are OK, but it's got to work with the Internet and
Bitnet.
Why don't you respond to me directly and I'll summerize the responses.
Many thanks,
Laurence Lundblade 206-543-5617
lgl@cac.washington.edu
Networks and Distributed Computing, U of Washington, Seattle WA
wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) (07/13/89)
/bin/mail. Bill Wisner wisner@mica.berkeley.edu ucbvax!mica!wisner I think, therefore I am not the NRA either.
lgl@blake.acs.washington.edu (Laurence G Lundblade) (07/14/89)
Hmmm, I think I wasn't so clear in my original posting. I'm looking
for something a lot more Mac like. Elm is too complicated, and
/bin/mail is too limited. I've seen this custom thing on MVS that's
almost what I'm looking for, except it runs on MVS. There's a list of
what the function keys do on every screen, and those function keys are
they only commands that do anything. This gives a feeling that you can
understand all the program does by fiddling with it for 5 minutes, and
that there's not some set of mysterious features that make you feel
you're not in command of the program and don't really understand it.
I'm not sure what I'm looking for exists, especially on UNIX, but I
thought I'd ask anyway. Thanks for your responses. Oh yes, I'm happy
to pay for it too if any one knows of any commercial products
Laurence Lundblade 206-543-5617
lgl@cac.washington.edu
Networks and Distributed Computing, U of Washington, Seattleargv%eureka@Sun.COM (Dan Heller) (07/14/89)
In article lgl@blake.acs.washington.edu (Laurence G Lundblade) writes: > Hmmm, I think I wasn't so clear in my original posting. I'm looking > for something a lot more Mac like. Elm is too complicated, and > /bin/mail is too limited. Well, if you like /bin/mail, but feel it's too limited, then may I suggest (yet again) mush. Note that mush is backwards compatible with mail and Mail type systems. You can configure it (or your environment) to make it as simple and ugly as Mail, or you can have it be as sickeningly user friendly that you will just scream. It has a curses interface that is similarly configurable and it has a suntools mode which isn't mac-like, but it is a window/icon-based application that runs on suns.. it's also free. If you are running unix, it'll run. dan <island!argv@sun.com> ----- My postings reflect my opinion only -- not the opinion of any company.
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (07/14/89)
In article <30034@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) writes: > /bin/mail. Wimp. Real men use: vi /usr/mail/$LOGNAME It's also acceptable to use emacs or teco, or maybe crisp. Under no circumstances use one of those wimpy word-processors. -- Peter da Silva, Xenix Support, Ferranti International Controls Corporation. Business: peter@ficc.uu.net, +1 713 274 5180. | Th-th-th-that's all folks... Personal: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com. `-_-' | -- Mel Blanc Quote: Have you hugged your wolf today? 'U` | May 30 1908 - Jul 10 1989
generous@dgis.daitc.mil (Curtis Generous) (07/15/89)
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <30034@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) writes: >> /bin/mail. >Wimp. Real men use: > vi /usr/mail/$LOGNAME Go eat some quiche. Real men type: cat /usr/mail/$LOGNAME :-) --curtis --- Curtis C. Generous DTIC Special Projects Office (DTIC-SPO) ARPA: generous@daitc.mil UUCP: {uunet,vrdxhq,lll-tis}!daitc!generous
soley@moegate.UUCP (Norman S. Soley) (07/15/89)
In article <2799@blake.acs.washington.edu> lgl@blake.acs.washington.edu (Laurence G Lundblade) writes: >Elm is too complicated, Huh? there are lots of critcisms I could level at elm but being too complicated wouldn't be one of them. In novice mode elm is dead simple (trust me I have some lusers who are dead simple too and they LOVE it). With a little work on the screen layout (the menu at the bottom is a little cramped, even in novice mode) elm could be a fine program. -- Norman Soley - The Communications Guy - Ontario Ministry of the Environment soley@moegate.UUCP or if you roll your own: uunet!attcan!ncrcan!moegate!soley The Minister speaks for the Ministry, I speak for myself. Got that! Good.
argv%eureka@Sun.COM (Dan Heller) (07/15/89)
In article generous@dgis.daitc.mil (Curtis Generous) writes: > peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: > > >In article wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) writes: > >> /bin/mail. > >Wimp. Real men use: > > vi /usr/mail/$LOGNAME > Go eat some quiche. Real men type: > cat /usr/mail/$LOGNAME There's always dd if=/usr/mail/$LOGNAME dan <island!argv@sun.com> ----- My postings reflect my opinion only -- not the opinion of any company.
sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) (07/17/89)
In article <598@daitc.daitc.mil> generous@dgis.daitc.mil (Curtis Generous) writes: }peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: } }>In article <30034@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) writes: }>> /bin/mail. }>Wimp. Real men use: }> vi /usr/mail/$LOGNAME } }Go eat some quiche. Real men type: } } cat /usr/mail/$LOGNAME } }:-) Nope, we use: adb /dev/rroot and just cruise around looking at whatever we like ;-} -- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca uunet!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (07/17/89)
In article <30034@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) writes: > /bin/mail. peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: > Wimp. Real men use: vi /usr/mail/$LOGNAME In article <598@daitc.daitc.mil>, generous@dgis.daitc.mil (Curtis Generous) writes: > Go eat some quiche. Real men type: cat /usr/mail/$LOGNAME Nah. Real men are probably busy doing some kernel debugging, so they've booted off a floppy to read their mail. Since they left 'cat' off to save space, they do 'mount /dev/dsk/c0d0s3 /mnt; sh </mnt/mail/root' and interpret the error messages. (Real men always run in single use mode and kick off uucp jobs by hand... crontab is for people with lousy memories and file protection is for undisciplined wimps) -- Peter da Silva, Xenix Support, Ferranti International Controls Corporation. Business: peter@ficc.uu.net, +1 713 274 5180. | Th-th-th-that's all folks... Personal: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com. `-_-' | -- Mel Blanc Quote: Have you hugged your wolf today? 'U` | May 30 1908 - Jul 10 1989
scott@dtscp1.UUCP (Scott Barman) (07/18/89)
In article <5008@ficc.uu.net> peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) writes: >In article <30034@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, wisner@mica.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Wisner) writes: >> /bin/mail. > >Wimp. Real men use: > > vi /usr/mail/$LOGNAME Sorry Peter, real men use: cat /usr/spool/mail/$USER then when finished: > /usr/spool/mail/$USER :-) :-) :-) -- scott barman {gatech, emory}!dtscp1!scott
jeff@quark.WV.TEK.COM (Jeff Beadles) (07/18/89)
In article <833@dtscp1.UUCP> scott@dtscp1.UUCP (Scott Barman) writes: >Sorry Peter, real men use: > cat /usr/spool/mail/$USER >then when finished: > > /usr/spool/mail/$USER Gee, I always used ":>! /usr/spool/mail/$USER" Yes, it really is a command for csh. (csh is a different story altogether :-) If you don't know what it does, send email. -Jeff -- Jeff Beadles Utek Sustaining Engineering, Tektronix Inc. jeff@quark.WV.TEK.COM (or) uunet!tektronix!quark.wv!jeff
peter@ficc.uu.net (Peter da Silva) (07/18/89)
In article <183@van-bc.UUCP>, sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) writes: > adb /dev/rroot Wouldn't mail be in /dev/rusr? -- Peter da Silva, Xenix Support, Ferranti International Controls Corporation. Business: peter@ficc.uu.net, +1 713 274 5180. | "A char, a short int, and Personal: peter@sugar.hackercorp.com. `-_-' | an int bit-field were walking Quote: Have you hugged your wolf today? 'U` | through the forest..."
alfie@cs.warwick.ac.uk (Nick Holloway) (07/19/89)
In article <3924@orca.WV.TEK.COM> jeff@quark.WV.TEK.COM (Jeff Beadles) writes: > In article <833@dtscp1.UUCP> scott@dtscp1.UUCP (Scott Barman) writes: > >Sorry Peter, real men use: ................^^^^^^^^ > > cat /usr/spool/mail/$USER > >then when finished: > > > /usr/spool/mail/$USER > Gee, I always used ":>! /usr/spool/mail/$USER" ......................^^^^^ Jeff, I'm afraid that by using csh, you don't count as a `real man' as above, but have placed yourself firmly in the role of `quiche eater'. :-) :-) Pity the command didn't start with ":-)", rather than ":>!" Alfie PS: I am ashamed of even knowing what Jeff meant - I don't use csh. -- JANET : alfie@uk.ac.warwick.cs | `O O' | Nick Holloway BITNET/EARN : alfie%uk.ac.warwick.cs@ukacrl | // ^ \\ | Comp Sci Dept INTERNET : alfie%cs.warwick.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk | Uni of Warwick UUCP : ..!mcvax!ukc!warwick!alfie, alfie@warwick.UUCP | Coventry, UK.
erik@mpx2.mpx.com (Erik Murrey) (08/15/89)
Real men read *news* with vi. Just don't forget to undo your changes,
or downstream sites won't be too happy..
... Erik
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