[comp.mail.misc] Troubled by Talk about IP addresses

verber@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Mark A. Verber) (12/03/89)

I have been very troubled in the last year to see some many people
worrying about IP addresses.  People have talked about host tables
being out of date or missing new hosts.  This is understandable, and
this is why domain name service was invented.  People need to at least
be running name resolvers!

I understand that not all vendors supply resolvers.  There are two
responces we should have.  (1) Scream at the vendor until they do
supply a resolver and network tools that talk to the resolver, (2) use
schemes that don't force users to use raw ip addresses.  For mail this
means finding a mail gateway that does talk to domain name service
(including MX records) and ask them kindly to allow you to route mail
through them.  Anything less is a crime against our users.

An example of spending time on the wrong side of the problem: someone
just posted an article about a config to allow sendmail to send to a
raw ip address... that is fine, but users shouldn't have to worry
about such things... hell, I as an admin don't want to worry about
such things.

My personal feeling is that if a site that is on the Internet wants to
recieve mail, it is only reasonable to register that machine.  If
they don't, they don't deserve to recieve mail.  It doesn't take much
to add a host to a existing domain (1minute or so).  Our efforts should
be to move people into the '80s rather than find workarounds.

My experience has been that alot of people that could be running resolvers
aren't.  I know that there are some sites that are running with defective
networking code, but I have run into many sites that could have an
MX understanding mailer, or a telnet that uses address resolution,
but they haven't been willing to take the time to understand what
needs to be done.

There is a common culture among many of the Internet sites.  We
believe in name service because we watched host table start to break,
We got tired for addresses like foo%bar!baz@bag.arpa so we push for
MXing the world, etc.  With the success of workstations and NSFnet
there are a lot of people who haven't experienced these changes.  I
have seen a number of sites that don't even know about name servers.
It never occured to them to look for it.  This is going to be
increasingly common it we aren't careful.  Workstations are being sold
like personal computers.  Network connections (thanks to NSFnet) are
becoming increasingly common.  I believe that there are two things
that need to be done.  One is taking the time to educate sys admins
about things like name service, mail exchangers, etc.  The second is
to encourge vendors to improve their default configurations and
documentation.
-- 
Mark A. Verber
System Programmer, Physics Department, Ohio State University
verber@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu
(614) 292-8002

seeger@manatee.cis.ufl.edu (F. L. Charles Seeger III) (12/05/89)

In article <1170@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu> verber@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (Mark A. Verber) writes:
|I understand that not all vendors supply resolvers.  There are two
|responces we should have.  (1) Scream at the vendor until they do
|supply a resolver and network tools that talk to the resolver, (2) use
|schemes that don't force users to use raw ip addresses.

May I suggest (3) Don't buy hardware from vendors that don't either supply
the resolver routines or give you source so that you can fix it yourself.
Get a demo machine and make them show you that it works.

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