evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) (12/04/89)
The UK maps as posted in comp.mail.maps contain: ># Copyright 1989 by EUUG. All rights reserved. ># Permission to redistribute and use for routing purposes granted. Fine. But how does this jive with a letter I received recently? The letter was addressed to: Evan Leibovitch System Telly [address] The ONLY place I am identified this way is in the UUCP maps! The contents? An advertisement for "The Miranda Functional Programming System", from a commercial venture called Research Software Ltd. in the UK. So which site supplied the Usenet mailing list for commercial purpose? Hmm. There's an e-mail address given: mira-request@ukc.ac.uk - the University of Kent, the UK Usenet gateway! Inside the ad we are introduced to the inventor of Miranda, Kent Professor David Turner. So we have the University of Kent either engaging in commercial activities itself, or allowing its facilities to be used for commercial purposes. I infer from this, but cannot state categorically, that Kent was the source of the Usenet maps used for the mailing. If true, this is quite surprising, since Kent maintains the UK maps and is probably responsible for their copyright message. Does this blatantly commercial act contravene the copyright on the UK maps that Kent itself maintains? If the map data was taken without Kent's consent, how will the university discipline one of its own professors? While I am not bothered by the mailing itself, I hope this points out the hypocricy of Kent's practice of segregating commercial sites (*.co.uk) from academic ones (*.ac.uk). Further, I am told by more than one source that it costs far less for an academic site to access Usenet in the UK than a commercial one. In light of the obvious overlap, that indeed commercial organizations engage in research and academic institutions sometimes engage in (or endorse) commercial ventures, is the segregation not unfair? Even the Miranda prices are four times higher for educational use than commercial. Another example of a product priced on the intended use, not the cost of making it. -- Evan Leibovitch, Telly Computing, located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!attcan!telly!evan / (416)452-0504 "The Honorable Member disagrees. I can hear him shaking his head" - P.E.T.
jpp@specialix.co.uk (John Pettitt) (12/06/89)
evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >The UK maps as posted in comp.mail.maps contain: >># Copyright 1989 by EUUG. All rights reserved. >># Permission to redistribute and use for routing purposes granted. >Fine. But how does this jive with a letter I received recently? The >letter was addressed to: >Evan Leibovitch >System Telly >[address] >The ONLY place I am identified this way is in the UUCP maps! >The contents? An advertisement for "The Miranda Functional Programming >System", from a commercial venture called Research Software Ltd. in the UK. >So which site supplied the Usenet mailing list for commercial purpose? >Hmm. There's an e-mail address given: mira-request@ukc.ac.uk - the >University of Kent, the UK Usenet gateway! Inside the ad we are >introduced to the inventor of Miranda, Kent Professor David Turner. You are correct that they got your name from the maps, they got me from the same place. I have been in contact with uknet@ukc.ac.uk and it appears that the list was taken from an old, non copyright, version of the map. I am told that all map derived addresses have now been purged from the mailing list. I suggest that is you still get mail from them you mail uknet@ukc.ac.uk and ask that they check it out BEFORE posting a flame to the net. I A M A L O N G P O S T I N G -- John Pettitt UUCP: uunet!slxsys!jpp Internet: John.Pettitt@specialix.co.uk JANET: emxxjpp@uk.ac.brunel.me POTS: +44 1 941 2564 FAX: +44 1 941 4098 Disclaimer: Me, say that ? Never, it's a forged posting !
pcf@galadriel.bt.co.uk (Pete French) (12/11/89)
From article <257A85B0.6E59@telly.on.ca>, by evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch): > Fine. But how does this jive with a letter I received recently? The > letter was addressed to: > Evan Leibovitch > System Telly > The ONLY place I am identified this way is in the UUCP maps! It was probably an old map - I got one of these as well and I havent been in the map entries for quite some time (I was listed as contact person for uk.co.bt.kyns last summer). Try asking uknet@ukc.ac.uk. > While I am not bothered by the mailing itself, I hope this points out > the hypocricy of Kent's practice of segregating commercial sites (*.co.uk) > from academic ones (*.ac.uk). Further, I am told by more than one source > that it costs far less for an academic site to access Usenet in the UK > than a commercial one. And doesnt the US segregate as well ???? or are the .edu and .com domains something other than direct equivalents of .ac and .co as I had always assumed. (there seem to be far too many domains floating around). -Pete. -- -Pete French. | "The rhythm's gone, British Telecom Research Labs. | The radio's dead. Martlesham Heath, East Anglia. | And the damage done, All my own thoughts (of course) | Inside my head."