[comp.mail.misc] ~"Mlmake MONEY fast!!!!

dtb7684@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.T. Bracke) (02/08/90)

2-14-1990 
Hi, 
 This file was recieved from a bbs in Austin, Tx. 
after reading this over, and thinking about it for a bit, I 
concluded that it just might work.  I have given a new 
wrinkle to it, however.  It has occured to me that if one is 
truly building a mailing list, then one needs to utilize 
that list.  In order to do this, and create a list that is 
useful, somewhat more information is needed than just the 
name and address.  I have added a short questionaire.  All 
responses other than the name and address are optional, but 
in order for this to truely work, are needed. 
 
Sincerely, 
 
 
 
Woody Baker. 
 
Dear Friend, 
 
     My name is Dave Rhodes.  In September 1988 my car was 
reposessed and the bill collectors were hounding me like you 
wouldn't believe.  I was laid off and my unemployment checks 
had run out.  The only escape I had from the pressure of 
failure was my Apple computer and my modem.  I longed to 
turn my advocation into my vocation. 
 
     This January 1989 my family and I went on a ten day 
cruise to the tropics.  I bought a Lincoln Town Car for CASH 
in Feburary 1989.  I am currently building a home on the 
West Coast of Florida, with a private pool, boat slip, and a 
beautiful view of the bay from my breakfast room table and 
patio.  I will never have to work again. Today I am rich!  I 
have earned over $400,000.00 (Four Hundred Thousand Dollars) 
to date and will become a millionaire within 4 or 5 months. 
Anyone can do the same.  This money making program works 
perfectly every time, 100% of the time.  I have NEVER failed 
to earn $50,000.00 or more whenever I wanted. Best of all 
you never have to leave home except to go to your mailbox or 
post office. 
 
     In October 1988, I received a letter in the mail 
telling me how I could earn $50,000 dollars or more whenever 
I wanted.  I was naturally very skeptical and threw the 
letter on the desk next to my computer. It's funny though, 
when you are desparate, backed into a corner, your mind does 
crazy things. I spent a frustating day looking through the 
want ads for a job with a future.  The pickings were sparse 
at best.  That night I tried to unwind by booting up my 
Apple computer and calling several bulletin boards.  I read 
several of the message posts and than glanced at the letter 
next to the computer.  All at once it came to me, I now had 
the key to my dreams. 
 
      I realized that with the power of the computer I could 
expand and enhance this money making formula into the most 
unbelievable cash flow generator that has ever been created. 
I substituted the computer bulletion boards in place of the 
post office and electronically did by computer what others 
were doing 100% by mail.  Now only a few letters are mailed 
manually.  Most of the hard work is speedily downloaded to 
other bulletin boards throughout the world.  If you believe 
that someday you deserve that lucky break that you have 
waited for all your life, simply follow the easy 
instructions below.  Your dreams will come true. 
 
                          Sincerely yours, 
 
                          Dave Rhodes 
 
 
 
                       INSTRUCTIONS 
 
Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you 
will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. 
This program has remained successful because of the honesty 
and integrety of the participants.  Please continue its 
success by carefully adhering to the instructions. 
 
Welcome to the world of Mail Order!  This little business is 
a little different than most mail order houses.  Your product 
is not solid and tangible, but rather a service.  You are in 
the business of developing Mailing lists.  Many large 
corporations are happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. 
   (The money made from the mailing lists are secondary to the 
    income which is made from people like yourself requesting 
    that they be included in that list.) 
 
 
  1)  Immediately mail $1.00 to the first 5 names listed 
      below starting at number 1 through number 5.  Send cash only 
      please (total investment $5.00). Enclose a note with each 
      letter stating: "Please add my name to your mailing list." 
      Enclose the filled out questionare. Be sure to fill out 
      as much of the questionaire as you feel comfortable doing. 
 
         (This is a legitimate service that you 
          are requesting and you are paying $1.00 
          for this service). 
 
  2)  Remove the name that appears number 1 on the list. 
      Move the other 9 names up one position. (Number 2 will 
      become number 1 and number 3 will become number 2, etc.) 
      Place your name, address and zip code in the number 10 
      position. 
 
  3)  Post the new letter with your name in the number 10 
      position into 10 (Ten) separate bulletin boards and/or
      computer systems in the message base or to the file section,
      call the file, MAKEMONY.ARC, or something similar.
 
  4)  Within 60 days you will receive over $50,000.00 in 
      CASH.  Keep a copy of this file for yourself so that you can 
      use it again and again whenever you need money. As soon as 
      you mail out these letters you are automatically in the mail 
      order business and people are sending you $1.00 to be placed 
      on your mailing list. This list can than be rented to a list 
      broker that can be found in the Yellow Pages for additional 
      income on a regular basis.  The list will become more 
      valuable as it grows in size.  This is a service.  This is 
      perfectly legal.  If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18, 
      Sec. 1302 & 1341 of the postal lottery laws. 
 
       NOTE: Make sure you retain EVERY Name and Address sent 
             to you, either on computer or hard copy, but do not 
             discard the names and notes they send you.  This is 
             PROOF that you are truely providing a service and 
             should the IRS or some other Government Agency 
             question you, you can provide them with this proof! 
 
   Remember as each post is downloaded and the instructions 
   carefully followed, five members will be reimbursed for 
   their participation as a List Developer with one dollar 
   each.  Your name will move up the list geometrically so that 
   when your name reaches the number five position you will be 
   receiving thousands of dollars in cash. 
 
 
 
 
  1. Howard Staten         12012 Cheyenne Rd. 
                           Gaithersburg, MD 
                           20878 
 
  2. Brian A. Miller       10270 Ft. Churchill 
                           Reno, NV 
                           89506 
 
  3. Jeffrey Adler         7210B Eden Brook Drive #202 
                           Columbia, MD 
                           21046 
  
  4. Troy Bruder           31 Murray Drive
                           Allentown, Pa 
                           18104 
 
  5. James Mahoney         2350 Tilghman Street 
                           Allentown, PA 
                           18104 
 
  6. Michelle Feaster      27 S 18th St. 
                           Allentown, PA 
                           18104 
 
  7. James Knoebel         1908 B W 33rd St. 
                           Austin, TX 
                           78703 
 
  8. Woody Baker           Rt.1 Box I 
                           Manor, Tx.
                           78653 
 
 
  9. Bob Shipman           Box 20, Hotz Hall 
                           Fayetteville, AR 
                           72701 
 

 10. Derik "Shag" Bracke   25 Andrews Memorial Drive
                           Box 36
                           Rochester, NY
                           14623


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Name            :______________________________ 
Address line 1  :______________________________ 
Address line 2  :______________________________ 
City         :________________ 
State  :__ 
Zipcode         :__________ 
(optional) 
Sex (M/F) :_ 
Date of Birth :_____________ (mm/dd/yy) 
Phone           :(___) - ___ - ____ 
Computer type   :_______________________________ 
  :_______________________________(things you like 
Hobbies         :_______________________________ to do) 
  :_______________________________ 
Catagories :_______________________________(things you 
  :_______________________________ are interested 
  :_______________________________ in receiving 
  :_______________________________ mail on) 
Pets  :_______________________________ (What kind) 
Occupation :_______________________________ 
Type of car :_______________________________ 
Own or Rent :______________ 
House or Apt :_____________ 
# Children :_____ (if any) 
Married (y/n) :_____ 
Self-employed   :______________________ (do you work for yourself?) 
Business name :______________________ (if you own your own) 
Own a life polcy:_______________________ (own a life insurance policy) 
Purchase by mail:_________________________ (items that you have 
  :_________________________  or would purchase 
  :_________________________ ) 
Household income range:____________________(rough figures) 
 
 
 
The reason for requesting the above information is simple. 
Most users of mailing lists need to be able to selectivly 
target a particular audience.  If you are selling, say knitting 
materials, it would be a waste of your money to mail a catalog 
to someone who has no interest in knitting.  So, you would 
request that the list supplier select the names by certain 
catagories.  The list supplier will charge you a bit more, but 
your return for invested dollars will be much higher. 
 
Even though some of these are fairly personal in nature, they 
are all valid selection criteria for a mailing list. 
 
The Catagories information above is very important.  You 
should fill it out with a list of catagories of things that 
you are interested in. The hobbies and occupation fields 
are just as important.  Perhaps you like to hunt.  If I sent 
you an offer to join an anti-hunting group, not only would 
you be upset, but I would have wasted my time and money. 
 
In addition, if you will send $3.00 to 
Woody Baker, Rt.1 Box I, Manor Tx, 78653, 
you will recieve a catalog (on 5 1/4 360k disk), of hundreds 
of Public Domain and shareware programs that are available 
through Woody. 
 
This catalog  is a bit different.   You can run the program that is 
bundled with the catalog, and fill out an order form for 
programs that you desire.  The program will tell you how many 
floppies (360K) it will take to hold all of the files that 
you want.  Then you can order them for $4.95 per disk.  This 
gives YOU the opportunity to select ONLY those files that 
you want, rather than having to take someone elses selection as 
many public-domain/shareware sellers do.  It's like being 
connected to a BBS.  Except that the cost is lower. If you want a package 
that exists on 1 disk here, and another there, you usually have to 
buy each disk.  This way you don't.  Just tell us 
what you want, and we will pack it onto a disk for you. 
You still pay a reasonable price per disk, but it is YOUR 
selection. 
 
In addition, I'll add you to a master list, and periodicaly 
notify you of updates to the catalog.  Please fill out 
the questionaire above, to the extent that you are comfortable 
with. 
 
We  accept personal checks, money orders, cash and American Express Cards. 
 
Sincerely 
Woody Baker 
Rt.1 Box I 
Manor, Tx 78653 
 
 
The following letters were written by participating members 
in this program. 
 
To Whom It May Concern: 
 
     About six months ago I received the enclosed post in 
letter form.  I ignored it.  I received about five more of 
the same letter withn the next two weeks.  I ignored them 
also.  Of course, I was tempted to follow through and 
dreamed of making thousands, but I was convinced it was just 
another gimmick and could not possibly work.  I was wrong! 
About three weeks later I saw this same letter posted on a 
local bulletion board in Montreal.  I liked the idea of 
giving it a try with my computer.  I didn't expect much 
because I figured, if other people were as skeptical as I, 
they wouldn't be too quick to part with Five dollars.  But, 
I buy lottery tickets weekly in my province and have nothing 
to show for it but ticket stubs.  This week I decided to 
look at this as my weekly lottery purchase. I addressed the 
envelopes and mailed out one dollar in each as directed. 
Two weeks went by and I didn't recieve anything in the mail. 
The fourth week rolled around and I couldn't believe what 
happened!  I can't say I received $50,000, but it was 
definitely well over $35,000!  For the first time in ten 
years, I got out of debt.   It was great.  Of course, it 
didn't take me long to go through my earnings so I am using 
this excellent money opportunity once again.  Follow the 
instructions and get ready to enjoy. 
 
     Please send a copy of this letter along with the 
enclosed letter so together we can convince people who are 
skeptical that it really works! 
 
                             Good Luck, 
 
                             Charles Kust 
                             St Agathe Que. 
 
 
Another letter: 
  I tried a similar program in which the cost was $5.00 per 
response.  In that one the return was about 3%.  Since I did 
not have a modem I sent out letters regular mail.  I created 
mailing labels with Appleworks and printed the labels on 
pressure sensitive tape.  The first mailing that I used the 
$1.00 dollar per reponse approach I started to get return 
mail in just over one week!  I sent out 200 letters instead 
of 100 that is required if you use the mail instead of the 
bulletion boards.  Additionally, I included as many friends, 
relatives, classmates, that I could think of in order to 
encourage their participation if they happened to recognize 
my name, so my percnetage of gain was higher.  I am trying 
again with 500 letters to see if I surpass the $141,000 of 
the last time.  You just won't beleive it until you try. 
 
                             Best Wishes, 
 
                             Mark Garner 
                             Dallas Texas 
 
 
Additional Notes: 
 
     This system works equally well if mailed out manually. 
Mind you it takes more effort to hand address the envelopes 
and the cost goes up proportionately to cover the postage 
and envelopes.  You must also photo copy the instructions, 
cross out the name in  number one position, write in your 
name in the number ten slot and change the rest of the 
numbers accordinly. (It might be neater to use white out or 
paste over the names.)  In order to achieve the same results 
you must send out the $1.00 dollar to the first five names 
and then send out another 100 letters with copies of the 
program enclosed.  It has been suggested not to put a return 
address on the outside of the envelope in order to encourage 
the recipient to open it.  The return will approxiamate that 
then received from the posts listed on the bulletin boards. 
 
 
Another letter: 
 
     I was working the grave yard night shift at the 
hospital administration office and was bored to tears.  I 
saw this letter laying on my desk from the previous shift. 
I had nothing better to do so I figured, Why not?  I ran off 
over 100 copies on the office copier.  I found some blank 
envelopes in a desk drawer and began to hand write the 
addresses from the telephone book.  I borrowed the postage 
meter and stamped the envelopes.  Carefully I stuffed the 
envelopes not forgetting to put in the five one dollar bills 
to the first five names.  I put the entire lot in the mail 
bag.  Total time from start to finish was three and one half 
hours which included several short stops to answer the 
telephone and fill out an admission slip.  Total cost to me 
$5.00 dollars. 
 
     Fourty two days later I gave notice to my employer and 
I will never have to work the night shift again. 
                            Peggy Lou G. 
                            Scottsdale Arizona 
 
PS. I made a nice size donation to the hospital building 
fund.  I figured it was the least I could do for the use of 
the postage and office supplies.

roy@phri.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) (02/10/90)

In  <2141@ultb.isc.rit.edu> dtb7684@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.T. Bracke ) writes:
> Follow these instructions EXACTLY, and in 20 to 60 days you 
> will have received well over $50,000.00 cash, all yours. 

	This is an absolutely classic pyramid scheme.  I.e. it's a scam, it
doesn't work, it's probably illegal, and if you help propagate it you are
either dishonest or incredibly naive.  I'm constantly amazed that these
things keep popping up, especially on the net, which is probably inhabited
by people significantly more intelligent than the general public at large.
Or am I being incredibly naive to believe that last sentence?

	From my (exceedingly limited) understanding of the law, using the
US mail to run a ponzi scheme (i.e. telling people to mail you money)
constitutes postal fraud.  I would bring thing to our local (paper mail)
postmaster's attention, but I just can't see bothering to try to explain to
him what usenet is.

	Actually, I think there is a clause in the postal fraud laws which
permits this kind of thing, but only if the proceeds are used to buy
postcards to mail to some kid dying of cancer in England. :-)
--
Roy Smith, Public Health Research Institute
455 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
roy@alanine.phri.nyu.edu -OR- {att,philabs,cmcl2,rutgers,hombre}!phri!roy
"My karma ran over my dogma"

johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us (John R. Levine) (02/10/90)

In article <2141@ultb.isc.rit.edu> dtb7684@ultb.isc.rit.edu (D.T. Bracke ) writes:
>[the same old "mailing list" chain letter, this time with a freeware disk
>sales pitch included]

This is an illegal chain letter, something that usenet has seen more than
its share of.  Don't fall for it.
-- 
John R. Levine, Segue Software, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 864 9650
johnl@esegue.segue.boston.ma.us, {ima|lotus|spdcc}!esegue!johnl
"Now, we are all jelly doughnuts."