lwv@n8emr.UUCP (Larry W. Virden) (01/07/88)
At the conclusion of balloting, we had the following tallys:
totals: 77 unqualified yes, 5 qualified yes, and 1 no votes.
Other:
1. comp.binaries.apple2
From: chemabs!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!dick_a_wotiz
Here's another YES vote for comp.binaries.apple2.
From: chemabs!chemabs!osu-cis!motcoh!mcdchg!nud!xroads!cc
Dan McGuirk
I would like to vote YES on the comp.binaries.apple2 newsgroup.
From: chemabs!ihnp4!convex!paulk (Paul Kalapathy)
-Paul Kalapathy convex!paulk
Here's my vote for comp.binaries.apple2.
From: Brian Dall <chemabs!NU092254@NDSUVM1.ARPA>
(note: Although comp.sys.apple is ok, I think, in order to prevent
confusion comp.binaries.apple2 would be better than
comp.binaries.apple. After all, we don't want Macintosh programs
posted/cross posted to this new newsgroup if it is granted.)
2. Conditionals
From: "ETD1::LABOVITZ" <ucbvax!afwal-aaa.arpa!labovitz%etd1.decnet>
Lt Stu Labovitz arpa: Labovitz%etd1.decnet@Afwal-aaa.ARPA
I vote 'YES', conditional upon this news group being Arpanet/Milnet
accessable.
Yes:
From: chemabs!larryV
Larry W. Virden UUCP: cbosgd!osu-cis!chemabs!larryV
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!isl.stanford.edu!psuvax1!trott (Mitchell Trott)
From: CKCU <ucbvax!jade.berkeley.edu!WCSCKCU%CARLETON.BITNET>
From: chemabs!paula@burdvax.PRC.Unisys.COM (Paula Matuszek)
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!hao!stcvax!snr
Stan Roberts
From: Matthias Kapffer <ucbvax!WISCVM.WISC.EDU!MAT6013%DMZRZU71.BITNET>
Matthias Kapffer
<MAT6013@DMZRZU71.BITNET>
I clearly vote for YES (and of course a linkage to APPLE2-L) to
make public domain software accessible to everyone.
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!ub.cc.umich.edu!tabakal_umaug
Todd A. Bakal
Tabakal@ub.cc.umich.edu
From: Ois projects <chemabs!oisproj@db.toronto.edu>
From: Brian A. LaMacchia <ucbvax!ATHENA.MIT.EDU!balamac>
--Brian LaMacchia
balamac@athena.mit.edu
Note that Brian, in a separate message, asked for
comp.sources.apple - lwv
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!tzone.ceo.dg.com!dave_kopper
From: Dipto Chakravarty (UNIX Consultant <dipto>
From: ucbvax!cs.Buffalo.EDU!ugcullen (Peter Cullen)
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!umn-cs!altura:everhart (William Everhart)
From: chemabs!cs211s40@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Taro Nobusawa)
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!im4u!esc-bb!halley!rrt
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!umn-cs!altura:gossman (Mitch Gossman)
From: sun!pixar!mp (Mike Paquette)
I'm all in favor of it. Considering the enormous amount of traffic
that has resulted from the (unreachable) APPLE-2L service, I'd say
that there is a good amount of interest.
From: "Toerless Eckert" (hiwi) <hpfcla!hpda!uunet!unido!faui10!eckert@hp-lsd.UUCP>
Toerless Eckert
From: jeffj@pnet01.cts.com (Jeff Jungblut)
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!uwvax!geowhiz!scott
Scott Kempf
UUCP: {seismo, topaz, harvard, ihnp4}!uwvax!geowhiz!scott
From: DAVE LYONS <dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!uiamvs.RUTGERS.EDU!AWCTTYPA>
--Dave Lyons AWCTTYPA@UIAMVS (bitnet)
From: Jeffrey Alan Ding <dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!neighbor>
neighbor@csd4.milw.wisc.edu
From: dkstar!rebel!gatech!rutgers!gatech!tektronix!reed!douglas (P Douglas Reeder)
Doug Reeder USENET: ...!tektronix!reed!douglas
From: chemabs!pnet01!pro-pac!tsouth@bass.nosc.mil (Todd South)
-=--=- uucp: crash!pnet01!pro-mars!pro-simasd!pro-pac!tsouth -=--=
Well Pat Haring has asked me to vote on the new user group, and I
certainly WOULD like to see it. But, I would like to also see some
EXPLANATIONS about what these user groups entail for the people out
here that receive the info-apple-req newsfeeds. How will it work if
it is incorporated into the system? What will it do for that matter?
Will we still have to push text'd up programs across the circuits or
will so other form of file packing evolve? So you got another YES
VOTE! Thanks for any info.
From: chemabs!mkao@crash.cts.com (Mike Kao)
From: chemabs!larry@sgistl.SGI.COM (Larry Autry)
larry@sgistl.sgi.com
From: ihnp4!gargoyle!oddjob!uwvax!uwmacc!uwmcsd1!lakesys!james (James Gehrke)
| UUCP: {ihnp4,uwvax}!uwmcsd1!lakesys!james |
From: ihnp4!gargoyle!oddjob!hao.UCAR.EDU!NOAO!arizona!caset!catuc!doug
From: ucbvax!pyr.gatech.edu!iadt3tb (T. Terrell Banks)
T. Terrell Banks uucp: ...!{akgua,ihnp4,hplabs,seismo}!gatech!gitpyr!iadt3tb
From: chemabs!cmcl2!cooper.cooper.EDU!c.steinb (Craig Steinberger)
Craig Steinberger c.steinb@cooper.edu
From: Tak Ariga <utgpu!tak>
--Tak Ariga tak@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu
From: sun!zehntel!bill (Bill Ellis)
From: chemabs!walter@vub.vub.UUCP (Walter Sonck)
From: chemabs!ames!gatech!rutgers!umn-cs!altura:chu (King Hang Chu)
From: chemabs!tektronix!psu-cs!psueea!parsely!kegan (Ron Whittle)
Ron Whittle Everyone is a book of blood;
My vote: YES!!!!
Also, how about a comp.sources.apple?
From: chemabs!ihnp4!think!harvard!husc8!nakada (Paul Nakada)
From: <chemabs!ames!gatech!rutgers!hao!stcvax!cls>
Chuck Still UUCP: {hao ihnp4 decvax}!stcvax!cls
From: Peter Godwin <chemabs!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx.UChicago.EDU!sphinx!god3>
Peter Godwin | ...ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!god3
From: hp-pcd!cmcl2!harvard!think!whitney@hp-lsd.UUCP@winfree.UUCP ( at winfree.n3eua.ampr)
David Whitney, MIT '90 Still learning about my Apple //GS
{the known universe}!ihnp4!think!whitney and all of its secrets. Any and all
From: Hal Birkeland <chemabs!garp!mit-amt!hkbirke@EDDIE.MIT.EDU>
-- hal hkbirke@media-lab.media.mit.edu
From: cbosgd!osu-cis!osupyr!artsvax!wilhoit@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Van Theip)
Yes. By all means. comp.binaries.apple _and_ comp.sources.apple. I'm
shocked there aren't such already. They would be _busy_. Do it.
Please.
From: ucbvax!sandia.Berkeley.EDU!marms
Mike Arms uucp: ...{ucbvax | gatech}!unmvax!sandia!marms
Here's my YES vote for creation of the newsgroup
"comp.binaries.apple". I would very much prefer that it be a
moderated group. One very good reason for this is to act as a flow
controller. The moderator of "comp.binaries.mac" receives many
multipart programs for posting. He does not flood releases all at
once. Rather he spreads the load out over several days. One positive
result of this is to lower somewhat the visibility and load that the
group represents to the net. It is important to keep this in mind as
we don't want to lose our new group due to irritation of the
Backbone. I want this group to succeed. Thanks for the work.
PS. I am having a very hard time getting mail to you. So far I have
had mail to you returned several times. I am trying to send this via
several paths. Hope one gets through.
From: trotter!gray.ee.usma.edu!hayne@hp-lsd.UUCP (CPT Ron Hayne)
Ronald J. Hayne CPT ADA D/EE USMA (phri!trotter!gray!hayne)
From: chemabs!ihnp4!decwrl!mips!wje (Bill Earl)
William J. Earl wje@mips.com
From: chemabs!ames!pur-ee!palermo (Dan Palermo)
From: tektronix!reed!kamath (Sean Kamath)
UUCP: {decvax allegra ucbcad ucbvax hplabs ihnp4}!tektronix!reed!kamath
I would just like to say that, in the event that the group is formed,
to start things off it would be nice to post (in moderation)
everything on the BROWNVM archives, as I can't get them off the
server. . .:-)
From: Ken Faubel <chemabs!apollo!faubel>
The newsgroup comp.sys.apple is attempting to spin off a
comp.binaries.apple group for posting of PD apple ][ programs. If you
have *any* interest in this (even if you don't read news, I'll be
collecting them anyway), please send a message to lwv@n8emr.UUCP saying
simply that you vote YES for comp.binaries.apple.
From: <chemabs!ames!im4u!ti-csl!tilde!gjordan>
George Jordan (gjordan@tilde.UUCP)
From: inmet!knowles@hp-lsd.UUCP (Richard J. Knowles)
Dick Knowles Intermetrics
Though I just read a reponse wondering if comp.binaries.apple would
be restricted to EXECable only. I vote yes for all sources and
binaries, whether they be EXEC, BASIC, C or anything else.
From: chemabs!apollo!ed
Ed Bailey
From: chemabs!apollo!nab
From: chemabs!chemabs!bkr27 (Keith Rose)
From: ihnp4!ihlpm!mnhou
Mark N. Hougaard
From: chemabs!apollo!elbers_e
From: chemabs!likewise!ccnysci!jeffrey (Jeffrey Bromberger)
From: chemabs!apollo!eldred
From: Kee Hinckley <chemabs!apollo!nazgul>
From: Rex_Burton <ucbvax!silver.bacs.indiana.edu!burton>
Rex Burton@silver.bacs.indiana.edu
From: chemabs!ames!rochester!cornell!batcomputer!saponara (John Saponara)
John Saponara
YES - I'm all for comp.binaries.apple. Atari has one - why not us?
lwv - I also received a second vote with this message:
Larry,
I'm about 95% sure you received my vote. Just to cut off that 5% of
insecurity, here is my vote again: I vote yes for Apple binaries.
John Saponara (actually, Eric Haines, using his account - I forget who's name
we voted under).
From: ucbvax!jade.berkeley.edu!SEWALL%UCONNVM.bitnet
ARPA: sewall%uconnvm.bitnet@wiscvm.wisc.edu Murphy A. Sewall
I vote for comp.binaries.apple even though until the technology
catches up (I've seen some skuttlebutt that "ftp" will eventually
come to bitnet), I won't be able to get anything from it unless it
sends stuff in hex to APPLE2-L.
I assume somehow the two lists will be linked. Anyhow, it's more
than a little evident that APPLE2-L isn't very helpful to many,
perhaps most, Apple ][ users not on bitnet, netnorth, or earn.
From: Ted Medin <ucbvax!SHARK.NOSC.MIL!MEDIN-T>
I vote yes for comp.apple.binaries. Could we also include source?
From: ihnp4!ucf-cs!unf5!layne
Layne Wallace decvax!ucf-cs!unf5!lwallace (uucp)
From: "William J. Gilbert" <ihnp4!watmath!wjgilbert>
From: Paul Blumstein <hplabs!hp-sdd!sdsu!ttidca.TTI.COM!paulb@hp-lsd.UUCP>
Paul Blumstein;Citicorp/TTI| Everyone is a 10 in some base numbering system.
From: gray.ee.usma.edu!bowman@trotter (CPT Doug Bowman)
CPT Doug Bowman D/EE USMA (phri!trotter!gray!bowman)
Yes for the creation of the group.
As an aside. I am the system administrator for 3 UNIX systems and the
apple binaries would fit well with the Mac, IBM, etc that come over the
net. It is about time that we get equal time!
From: William C. DenBesten<bgsuvax!denbeste>
William C. DenBesten | CSNET denbeste@research1.bgsu.edu
YES, this group sounds promising. I would also suggest either
a) also creating a comp.sources.apple group, or
b) encouraging sources to be posted to comp.binaries.apple.
This way, the traffic in comp.sys.apple can be further reduced.
From: Rob Clive - 237 <likewise!uunet!mcvax!lucifer!rob>
I vote YES because I haven't had any luck getting through to Apple2-l. If
there was an easy way of getting through and getting a reliable reply then
the vote would possibly be no.
From: ihnp4!laidbak!spl1!raj (Robert Alan Johnson)
I VOTE A MOST EMPHATIC YES FOR comp.binaries.apple
From: ucbvax!sdcsvax!pnet01.cts.com!mkao (Mike Kao)
UUCP: {cbosgd, hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!pnet01!mkao
From: ucbvax!sdcsvax!pnet01.cts.com!danr (Dan Rubesh)
UUCP: {cbosgd, hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!pnet01!danr
From: ulysses!umix!ub.cc.umich.edu!Tabakal_UMAUG
Larry, affirmative vote for Comp.Binaries.Apple, Comp.Sources.Apple,
or whatever it will be called.
From: chemabs!hoptoad!dasys1!patth (Patt Haring)
Patt Haring UUCP: ..cmcl2!phri!dasys1!patth
I vote yes for comp.binaries.apple
or
comp.binaries.apple2
From: chemabs!ganzer@trout.nosc.mil (Mark T. Ganzer)
MarK T. Ganzer Naval Ocean Systems Center
From: chemabs!tysko@pdp.cs.OHIOU.EDU
John Tysko ...cbosgd!oucs!tysko
From: Brint Cooper <ucbvax!BRL.ARPA!abc>
What about Apple software sources? Is it intended that programs in
C, Assembler, BASIC, PASCAL, LOGO, and whatever be posted to
comp.binaries.apple or would the group be restricted only to
EXEC-able hex files.
If it's restricted, perhaps we should have a companion
comp.sources.apple?
From: chemabs!altura:shankar (Subash Shankar)
Subash Shankar Honeywell Systems & Research Center
>From gwspc!cbosgd!ptsfa!pbhyd!lc Fri Nov 13 15:22:38 1987 remote from cbcsta
Larry Colton {ihnp4,pyramid,qantel}!ptsfa!pbhyd!lc
No:
From: Jeff Forys <chemabs!sigi!forys@BOULDER.COLORADO.EDU>
Assuming there is a wealth of public domain software out there for
Apples, someone must have written a comple compliers for them!
I would cerainly vote for a moderated, source group (although I own
no Apple), but *not* an unmoderated binary group.
--
Larry W. Virden 75046,606 (CIS)
674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 (614) 864-8817
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