sysop@stech.UUCP (Jan Harrington) (02/27/88)
Here's another update on the comp.binaries.hypercard voting. Sorry to take so long to get it out, but I've been out of town for three days (at the ACM/SIGSCE conference, being academic ... ) There are now 70 "yes" votes and three "no" votes. We need 100 more "yes" votes than "no" votes to create the newsgroup, so keep them coming. If your name has a "?" after it, it meant that I couldn't figure out your return address. You didn't append your sig file and your mailer didn't give me enough info to figure it out myself. If it matters to you that your correct addess be on the list, just mail me a correction. YES votes Scott Robert Anderson emoryu1!phssra Bruce G. Barnett uunet!steinmetz!barnett Steven Bellenot ut-emx!sfb Michael Berch lll-tis!mcb Brad Blumenthal pheasant.cs.utexas.edu!brad Dave Bouvier coherent!dbouvier Laurien M. Chirica polyslo!chirica R.W.F. Clark rutgers!psavax1!psuuma.BITNET.cok Dennis Cohen ? David Coster phoenix!dcoster Drew Dean wolf!drew Robert Del Favero, Jr. ? Jean Marie Diaz ambar@athena.mit.edu Glen Ditchfield ? George D. Drapeau oberon!zaurak!drapeau Heather Ebey zz1he%sdcc@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu Dave Emme uts.amdahl.com!daveemme Steve Fenwick garth!fenwick Margot Flowers ucla-cs!flowers Elliott Frank amdahl!esf00 Michael Gleicher gleicher@cs.duke.edu Robert Hammen hammen@csd4.milw.wisc.edu Ken Hancock isle@eleazar.dartmouth.edu John Harkin pixor!jh Eiji Hirai cbosgd!bpa Kees Huyser nikhefk!keeshu Felix Ingrand ? Tony Jacobs t-jacobs@ced.utah.edu Christopher Jewell cup.portal.com!chrisj Stephen Kurtzman ? Joe Kwan psivax!rabbit Joel Levin bbn!levin Shane Looker pepe.cc.umich.edu!shane Jim Macak lakesys!macak David Macy-Beckwith artecon!macbeth Clay Maeckel claris!clay Steve Martin ti-csl!martin Jeffrey Mattson wilma.bbn.com!jmattson Dick Mead (???) MEAD@hamal.usc.edu Cliff Morrison ug.utah.edu!u-cdmorr Rodrigo Murillo boulder!murillo Mike Norman bnr-upa!mike Chris North bono@eleazar.dartmouth.edu Stephen Pearl topaz.rutgers.edu!pearl Les Pembroke sun!nsc!les Nigel Perry ukc!icdoc!np Kanthan Pillay phoenix!svpillay Dave Platt coherent!dplatt Danny Quah spdcc!e5274b!dquah Thomas Quinn quinnt@csv.rpi.edu Larry Riddle emory!riddle Mark Rinfret ? Ken Robinson rruxd!rbnsn Keith Rose chemabs!keithR Leonard Rosenthal leonard@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu Brian Schipper claris!skip Tom Slone violet!potency Mark Robert Smith topaz.rutgers.edu!smith Roy Smith phri!roy Josh Susser Susser.pasa@xerox.com Bill Thompson ihdev!foz Werner Uhrig astro.as.utexas.edu!werner Edward Vielmetti ? Larry W. Virden cbosgd!n8emr!lwv Chuq Von Rospach ? Ellen Walker elw@cs.cmu.edu Matthew P. Wiener garnet.berkeley,edu!weemba Andy J. Williams dartvax!eleazar!borscht Peter Wisnovsky phoenix!pswisnov Chang P. Woo changwoo@eleazar.dartmouth.edu NO votes Steve Arrants microsof!stephena Don Gillies ? Bob Webber athos.rutgers.edu!webber Jan Harrington, sysop Scholastech Telecommunications ihnp4!husc6!amcad!stech!sysop or allegra!stech!sysop ******************************************************************************** Miscellaneous profundity: "No matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Banzai ********************************************************************************
farren@gethen.UUCP (Michael J. Farren) (03/01/88)
I am going to urge a NO vote on comp.binaries.hypercard. My reasons?
Basically, two. First, the volume would be outrageously large - stacks
aren't small. Second, the limited applicability of this to the needs
of the net as a whole. While there are a lot of Mac owners on Usenet,
there are also many, many more who do not own Macs, or do not own Macs
on which Hypercard is usable. There are many public-access systems
out there, from BBS's to places like SIMTEL (although I don't think
that they do Macs). Upload and download 'em to your heart's content,
but don't send them over our airwaves. (modemwaves? etherwaves?
whatever)
If you take this as a condemnation of binary groups in general, you're
probably right.
--
Michael J. Farren | "INVESTIGATE your point of view, don't just
{ucbvax, uunet, hoptoad}! | dogmatize it! Reflect on it and re-evaluate
unisoft!gethen!farren | it. You may want to change your mind someday."
gethen!farren@lll-winken.llnl.gov ----- Tom Reingold, from alt.flame peter@aucs.UUCP (Peter Steele) (03/02/88)
in article <717@gethen.UUCP>, farren@gethen.UUCP (Michael J. Farren) says: > > I am going to urge a NO vote on comp.binaries.hypercard. My reasons? I for one have no problem with the hypercard binaries group. The stuff will get posted to comp.binaries.mac if comp.binaries.hypercard isn't created anyway. There were people who didn't want the mac group divided and now that it is I much prefer it. Allows me to more easily filter out stuff from one new group that I may not have time to read. -- Peter Steele Acadia Univ Wolfville NS Canada B0P1X0 (902)542-2201x121 UUCP: {uunet|watmath|utai|garfield}dalcs!aucs!Peter BITNET: Peter@Acadia Internet: Peter%Acadia.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
len@netsys.UUCP (Len Rose) (03/07/88)
I agree that the net is no place for binaries.. While it is
nice to have them delivered to my door (so to speak) , If I
want software for my Mac,I know where to get it.. The volume
of all the binary news groups has really pushed phone bills
sky high across the net at large..
If I may make an alternative suggestion, why not start an
alternative news distribution for macintosh .. This idea has a
precedent.. The unix-pc folks have done so,and it seems to
work quite well.This way,sites that are heavily macintosh
oriented can get and distribute all the binaries they choose.
NetSys will be glad to distribute such news to any site.
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fax: 301-992-4320bytebug@dhw68k.cts.com (Roger L. Long) (03/08/88)
In article <7623@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> J Greely (greely) writes: >This is essentially what is happening on the site level. People are >asking, why should I carry these huge binary groups, when our audience >is so small? Some of them just remove them. As a quick thought, why >don't we change all of the binary groups into a seperate distribution? >Then we'd have binaries.mac, etc., and any site that didn't want the >overhead of carrying them could cancel them all at once. I still think that the suggestion I made back in the dark ages when comp.all was created would have made a lot of people happy. I suggested that ALL of the Mac groups be under a comp.mac hierarchy, which with today's groups would look like: My Name Current Name ------------------- ---------------------- comp.mac comp.sys.mac comp.mac.digest comp.sys.mac.digest comp.mac.binaries comp.binaries.mac comp.mac.sources comp.sources.mac comp.mac.hypercard comp.sys.mac.hypercard comp.mac.programmer comp.sys.mac.programmer The advantage I saw was with ALL Mac groups under a single hierarchy, it would be trivial for sites with an interest in Macs to archive comp.mac.all, while other sites that had no interest in Macs could use find or expire to reclaim disk space for better uses. In rethinking this now, it might even be a good idea to create an entirely new hierarchy seperate from comp.all, such as sys.all or pc.all to encompass all micros/personal computers. But that's another can of worms... -- Roger L. Long dhw68k!bytebug